Sunday, September 25, 2016

WDT: Nothing New Here....Just Move Along

      Three months after eight captain slots were downgraded to firefighter, there is no protocol for staffing in place, but work still goes on every day. The SOP's were being written by former water czar Michael Sligar who was brought in due to an inability or unwillingness of existing management to do it.
      The issue is largely out of sight and out of mind for City Council and I don't hear much public chatter on it as well.
       The demotions  were an effort to deal with what was deterrmined to be top heavy management, but so far the City seems far from it's central goal of stripping minimum manning language from the CBA.
      Meanwhile the eight former captains are the only ones in this saga making less money as the City saves roughly $100K a year.
       Another twist has surfaced as we hear the NYS DOH has informed the city its policy of not going to medical calls because there is not a captain to supervise, places the city at risk if something goes awry. City Hall has been clamoring for fewer responses to medical calls, particularly ones that turn out to be minor.
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/news03/city-manager-still-waiting-to-receive-new-fire-department-deployment-model-20160925

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Nothing worse than sligar with any power, city hall needs to be cleaned out.

Anonymous said...

The city has failed the first test of the fireman debacle. I read the article in the times and they have only met 6 times in how many months. Sliger was hired to assist Harman.. He has tried but the Chief dosnt think he has enough experience... I understand that but what I dont understand is the Chief himself should have that experience so to me that indicates he is siding with the firefighter and is balking and stalling the process.
Harman was originally ordered to make the protocol and didnt.. Why??? If he was told to do and refused he should be disiplined then fired.. I understand the arguement about experience but I also understand why a city manager was hired and a council was elected. Neither are making this guy Harman accountable. Until this happens nothing gets done///

Anonymous said...


I have to agree 907. There is an only saying "If you are going total the kings shilling then you must be willing to do the kings bidding". To me this seems as though the taxpayers are being forced to pay yet another person to do what they already pay a fire chief to do. If this guy, who is earning close to $90,000 a year, can not, or will not, do as he is ordered then he should be fired.

It is very obvious that he is on the side of the firemen and that he is a major obstacle to getting this whole thing resolved. The other obstacle is the City Manager. Time to get rid of both of them and get 2 reasonable people to sit down and come to some sort of resolution. This process is just costing us way too much money. Money that we do not have. Say good bye to both of them and then lets get this thing done once and for all.

Anonymous said...

1010 Council hires and fires the city manager not the public.. Bring that up and voice your concerns... Dont be like Ogdensburg and get rid of a manager just so a mayor like Bill Nelson can get re-elected.. After all said and done in the Burg all they got was another high paid offical afraid to do the job she was hired to do.

Anonymous said...

That Benito's Ziti sign is great. Thanks, Jeff.

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see the roles and responsibilities of the captain function vs. the level those personnel were demoted to. What skills and experience differentiate the two roles and what the duties are for various calls should be valid points of discussion as well. Last, but not least, what is the breakdown of the various calls? My understanding is there are fewer and fewer "fires" to respond to and that these types of functions within cities have gradually transitioned to simply a "first responder" type of role, which would explain the number of non-emergency responses. Surely these types of calls cannot ALL require the same means and measure of response just as there's undoubtedly some overlap between what the captain does in responding to calls and what his crew is responsible for. In cases where a Captain isn't present on-site doesn't mean someone cannot be anointed a PIC (person-in-charge) that fulfills the roles and responsibilities only during responses lacking a Captain. Better yet, have the PIC rotated so everyone is ultimately responsible and learns those particular skills. My point is, there are undoubtedly responsibilities assigned to Captains that encompass their time both during responses and while on standby and divvying up those during the response, making them standards for everyone seems like a way to tackle this (in other words, push the minimal requirements/expectations from the bottom up.)

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

This saga just keeps getting worse, even if that's possible ... the CM needs to be replaced and leadership installed - which appears to be in short supply, and that is painfully obvious.

Now this story about NYS DOH weighing in ... wow. Hope none the grouch asses who post here never need WFD EMS at their home.



Anonymous said...

The NYSDOH is just telling the city what is known by anyone with any basic knowledge of emergency services, someone has to be in charge and that person is in charge because of training, knowledge and experience needed to make life or death decisions in split seconds.

Anonymous said...

Many of you all need to get your stories right and not just post to be able to anonymously say something. Yes, Herman did send over several response plans but the CM didn't like them because they did not cut numbers or ultimately put public and firemen at risk. He is a state instructor, EFO, Chief with many many years of dedication and experience on safety and fire concerns. Why is there double duty on the top as the CM doesn't like in this case. Because its HER idea and way of spending money. Now there is a chief, deputy, CM, and Water Super Hero who is trying to run the FD.
Let those who you hire and promote do their job. It will be done the safest way and best way possible. Again, NOT having a plan before you react is the way our city government is doing business. Jennings supports Mr. Sligars role, but had no idea he was even hired, how much he makes or anything else. How did he vote on the budget if none of them knew what this was about and going to be like. They are all in the closet and need to hold the CM accountable. They are getting MORE EGG on their FACES as time goes by

Anonymous said...

Like NYS DOH has your health in their best interest, Danny. They're just another bureaucracy that can't tell left from right or up from down, just like the DEC. Seems like they promised northsiders a health study with regards to the Air Brake contamination what, three, four years ago? Meanwhile, I see Kelsey Creek has received a lovely multi-million dollar make-over after all was deemed clean over a decade and a half ago.

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