Tuesday, September 27, 2016

WDT: City Turns a Profit On Vanduzee Fire

    Looks like the City did very well on the Election Day fire last year that destroyed the Vanduzee Street warehouse. It was finally revealed (through a WDT FOI request) that City Hall got a $750,000 insurance check on a building they had just taken title to. The City's blanket property policy automatically covers a newly acquired building without scrutiny for a period of 90 days.
    Normally a vacant building like this would be difficult to insure and according to reports the insurance company disputed the claim.
    News of the possible insurance windfall was known to me last fall when I saw an adjuster looking up records on the property, but this was kept on the down low for some reason.
    Demolition costs totaled nearly $600K, so in the end the City got the property for taxes and the demolition done with some cash left over.
    In essence, while it was a danger to neighbors, the arsonist (s) did the City a favor, which surely made the insurance carrier sick to is stomach.
     Twice in this news story, the reporter referred to the blaze as an "Election Day fire', a sign of the lingering suspicions about this unsolved arson, along with others earlier last fall.
     Another point....If this insurance payment came in July, was City Council aware of it since it would have a real effect on city finances, and if they did know,why didn't the public find out without the pulling-teeth exercise of an FOI ?
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/news03/vanduzee-warehouse-blaze-costs-580000-in-cleanup-expenses-20160927

11 comments:

Anonymous said...


And what were the cost of fighting the fire, re-staffing the fie stations, posting a fire watch, paying investigators, having the city attorney battle the insurance company, and how much city time was spent on this issue by other city officials. I doubt we earned a profit on it when all costs are actually considered. Believe me, no arsonist does anyone a favor when the break into a city owned building, set it on fire, subject firefighters to danger, and contaminate the environment and property. This was no Favor; this was a dangerous act and a crime!!!!
Just guess this tells how little concern you have for the city firefighters and others that had to put their lives and health on the line to battle this blaze. Glad you think you turned a profit tho.

Anonymous said...

Are you counting all the overtime that the union got to fight the fire, or just the demolition cost?

Insurance carriers don't care about paying out on a policy once in a while. They will simply raise the city rates based on the new "experience rating" and the city will pay it back with the increased premiums over the next 48 months or so. After that, its even more profits for the insurance carrier.

Anonymous said...

Which is why no one was ever caught for the fire,or the car fires....?

Anonymous said...

It wouldn't be a fire topic if we didn't have drama queen fire queens telling us how dangerous it was for them to get overtime practicing fire fighting on that blaze that was supposed to prove we need all of them on duty at all times.

Over the last decade or so we have seen a handful of workers killed doing real work. But that was work that was actually dangerous. Not just fire queen dangerous but real actual dangerous. A roofer falling off a roof in Pulaski, a guy crushed at the Air Brake, a farmer crushed under their tractor, a tree trimmer crushed by the stump grinder. But no dead fire queens in all this time. Unless you count the ones that died of myocardial infarction from sitting on their butts all day.

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

Yippee .. now reinstate the Fire Captains to full status since we "gained" a few bucks and come out ahead on that deal, right?

Let's Dance at City Hall.

Anonymous said...

I was wondering how long it would take the slum lord Bart B. (9:17) to chime in with his Fire queen rants! Once again, you have nothing constructive to add to this post! The horror it must be to be you!!

Anonymous said...

Freedom of Information Act Makes me wonder what other things they are hiding from the taxpayers .

Anonymous said...

9:17 (Bart)
You are an ass and despicable to the human race for hoping and counting the number of fire queens as you call them, to be killed to just show how dangerous the job really is. Look globally where 100 men/women are killed each year in this line and the 343 that were killed on 9/11. So goes their families who maybe you can look their wives/husbands and children in the eyes to tell them their loved one is not important and indispensable since their job is not dangerous. Stop by the fire station and ask to go through a fire maze or smoke trailer with all the equipment on and feel the real heat and anxiousness in your blood to see what you actually think of the dangers of the job. Or, lets hope you never have to try to outlive the horror of fire in your home and try to get out with the fright of the death of fire. I hope this karma doesn't affect you some day so you can stop your harassing deplorable reactions and remarks about the hero in our towns and villages and even your city. And when you on this test, maybe some of the unprofessional leaders can do the same test to see what the job actually is. The only one sitting around are you idiots who give off the rants of something you really know nothing about. take the challenge and put your actions where your big mouth is and prove what you say is true. Maybe you can strap Macaluso and Jennings to your back. They don't have spines either in this race and really need some common sense drilled in them too. As for the insinuation of the cause of this fire, Jeff, its a sin you are insinuating its a firefighter who did this. AS well as you know it could have been anyone, accidental in nature from a homeless person also, but if you dont buy that, it could also be Bart, to try and implore the issue that is a fire queen or someone else who is sick which puts all blame on someone else and the culprit gets off the list. There are many unsolved murders or burglaries in town too but you dont hear about them!!! Stop the nonsense. And by the way, read up on the nonsense of Ms. Olleri's cow: research is now blaming the kids as a better possibility. Again, get facts straight.

Anonymous said...

1:18 Well said!

9:17, you are a sick and disgusting individual.

Anonymous said...

1:18 (union fire employee stealing tax dollars from elderly on fixed income)
You are the most disgusting person ever to walk this earth. I hope you never have to rough it and actually work for your living. I hope you never have to face the real dangers that exist in the real world in real jobs.

I hope you can continue to rape the tax payers while having every conceivable safety device protecting you from ever having to get in harms way, I even hope the tax payers buy you a daily Statin to save you from your terrible diet and lack of exercise. I hope the latest fire trucks have extra taxpayer provided air bags to save you from the collisions the fire trucks keep getting into while "saving us".

You deserve to have the taxpayers contract with Jrecks and buy you a big fat "Hero" with extra cheese mayo and processed meats. You are such a big hero. The 25,000 residents in the city thank God everyday that you decided to barley get through high school and take the civil service test.
The rest of us will just go to work and earn a living the old fashion way. We re more likely to die doing our jobs than you are but that doesn't stop you from being a big fat hero. Have a nice day.

Anonymous said...

8:20
I am roughing it right now. I have a job I have earned a degree for and respectfully accepted a position in one job or another which protects you bimbos and especially those who I don't even know. Just look at the Davis kid in Cape Vincent going to help a stranger and shot and killed, just look at the battalion chief who went in NYC for an investigation to find an explosion and himself killed. Look at the three FF in Webster on Christmas Eve who were ambushed and killed unknowingly when they left their family. HOw about those in Boston where the Building collapsed over top of them, or the Silo in Sackets Harbor locally where the fire fighter was blown off and killed. You honestly say a firefighters job is not dangerous. How about the troopers who have been struck on interstates or thruways doing their job in day light and killed. They are not in a dangerous job.? Your right, I do hope the taxpayers buy special trucks and stations and equipment for them so they are protected totally and not on the dime you want to spend. If it was your family i'm sure your ideas would change, or if you life depended on them, you would want them to have the best to save you or your family members. Your just not talking logical and will not respond logical i'm sure either. If you look at the many firefighters around your area, many have college education or vocational training. If you really want to know, check all the little calls during a disaster where they are called to, in order to fix or make things right,. They dont call police, or dpw, or national grid. They call the fire department and often they always get their idea and problems fixed for their safety. You must be related to Jenning or Macaluso. This is their mentality to not support what they know needs support and needs to be around for survival. The old saying is: You just need to be smart enough to pass the test for what you want to do, and that begins with education and being able to read and want to work", so I'll take you comments with a grain of salt.