Thursday, September 15, 2016

Jay: Was He Right ?

       Jay has merit on the matter of the Fairgrounds Arena.. It doesn't seem to be promoted and used as hoped and a big disappointment is that the Bravo Fest didn't return. In the past, the Arena provided a large hall for so many in the community to gather and the Bravo Fest headed the list.
       Disputes over ice dates and fees could have been worked through and despite how nice the facility is, the usage so far has disappointed. The winter will be better, but skeptics have their criticisms lined up.
       It is there and the condition it was in was problematic, but this resource needs stronger promotiom and usage.
https://soundcloud.com/newzjunky/jay-donovan-we-have-been-boned-hard-on-that-damn-arena

13 comments:

Anonymous said...

The renovation of the arena was deceitfully sold to the public, basically on a wing and prayer. The plan for utilization and marketing should have been in place before agreeing to move forward. Face it, you sold the public on this Jeff and it is your debacle that keeps on giving (or taking) and raising taxes. The levy increase was attributed in part to the arena even before it was up and running.

Anonymous said...

We listened to a bunch of hockey freaks. We built them a really nice place to play. Hey, what difference can it possibly make?

Anonymous said...

It can be salvaged. But, that would take personnel adjustments and that won't happen. It's too bad that this may be a lasting "memento" of previous administrations. As taxpayers we might as well move on. Elections can shape future decisions. Mr. Butler had the right idea on this and was pressured to change. Now he can make the adjustments. Let's see if they do.

Anonymous said...

Funny how that happens, right 11:33? That there arena done sprung up overnight and the mayor who's there is now it's biggest critic.

Who cares what Jay Donovan has to say? It's all about ratings and who can get the NJ soundbite.

Anonymous said...


Yet another leadership failure. The public could see the problems so why not our elected and appointed leaders? Were they so sure that they're right and that the public was stupid that they failed in their obligations to listen to the people who were going to have to pay the bills?

The new fee structure is unreasonable and in some cases far outpaced the users ability to pay. Ms. Gardner was hired based on her experience in arranging bingo games for old people not because she had any type of track record in running a municipal parks and recreation department and this is the problem. The job should have went to the person who was rightfully in line once John and Jay were run off. This did not happen and it was a huge mistake.

It may be high time to realize that hiring yes people and cronies is not the way to lead. Now, we may need to hire a professional agency (that knows what they are doing) if we are going to market and support this facility. This was a huge mistake and the way it was rammed down the taxpayers throat was shameful. You are to blame right along with jennings and your other minion who is no longer in office. Mac and Butler were right in opposing this thing, just wish they had stuck to their guns.

Anonymous said...

I could write book of faults with our local Hospital cartel. The hospital that makes a profit for so many people but is still a "NFP". However the one thing they did that I commend them for is they left their parking garage with no parking fees. There is nothing more despicable dastardly and democrat, having to pay to park when going to Syracuse (or any big hospital)to visit, worry, comfort or say goodbye to your loved one.

The city should take a clue from that example and quit trying to make a profit on the arena.

Anonymous said...

Build it and they will come in numbers !! Well all the whiners who rented the place before at very low rates are all crying now they wish they kept their mouth shut on spending 13 million in upgrades and now have to pay more realistic rates of today. SHAME ON ALL who were on council at the time and pushed for this over priced and not need renovation the city of watertown taxpayers (ALONE) will be CHOKING ON FOR YEARS down the road.

Anonymous said...

Biggest mistake council has made, was shoved down the taxpayers throat despite the taxpayers voicing their disapproval. Management of arena is poor but because Ms Gardner and Addison hang out together it will not change until much needed change at the top. They could have built a whole new arena for less than 13 million but now we are stuck with a old building already full of problems that will only cost us more and more in years to come. Someday maybe we will get some council people in office to make some management changes in this city as it is circling the drain.

Anonymous said...

If Jay Donavan presented his opinions on issues in a more civilized, reasoned fashion, instead of delivering them wrapped in the uncouth, perverted rantings between himself and clowns like "CIVIC CHARLIE" perhaps people would give him the time of day. As it is he is little more than a jester, poor entertainment ,at best more suited for forums like 'the Tattler"

Anonymous said...

Poorly planned from the start after all the research and community input on file the current administration went on their own inexperience path. Several flaws and lack of community connection has now surfaced. We are stuck with it and should rally the cumminity to see how we can improve things from flaws, pricing and service. Look at the money the facility brings into the community and if you are in doubt look at North Carolina who stands to loose millions without the NCAA games. My guess is the administration is to stubborn to ask for help.

Anonymous said...

The real issue is poor maintenance and upkeep over the years that caused the major overhaul. Same thing with the park pool. Seriously, would you let your house fall into disrepair like that and then have to sink tons of $$ in all at once?

Anonymous said...

Really 1:52? For a 40 plus year old rink that was not built for a community center it was in dam good shape and I'm active with hockey so I've seen them all. The original arena was built for skating with a roof and warming area only. As for pool the City fathers did not want to spend the money for repairs and for the City crew to keep it open and going all those years someone did a great job. I know of no pool 40 years that hasn't been upgraded or replaced! New administration pulled the final plug on a working pool and City Council allowed it. Get your information right before you post.

ray lear said...

It was always a must to save it. But now some fat cats need to get off their collective butts , and rent it. Sitting around talking about ghost homes, bugs, and who gets the great land deals doesn't pay the piper. This November brings the first lost year. I don't see it changing before than. One completely lost year in time for the city. 2017 needs to be better. Time to work boys, and girl.