Thursday, September 8, 2016

Court Says Watertown & Firefighters Can Arbitrate About Demotions | WWNY TV 7

        The lawyer full employment program continues as the demoted captains dispute heads to an arbitrator after a ruling today in Supreme Court. Getting an arbitrator to decide on substantive changes to a contract is hard to due...Usually its just determining pay and ability to pay. But this is all way above my pay grade. Maybe you readers have insight.

Court Says Watertown & Firefighters Can Arbitrate About Demotions | WWNY TV 7 - News, Weather and Sports for | Local News

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Don't mess with us public employees. We own you. Your job is to pay your taxes and shut the hell up. Some of us, heroes mainly, don't even have to pay taxes, per se.

Anonymous said...

Just the first of many upcoming losses for the high priced city attorney. So whats the legal bill up to now? I think that should be shared with us taxpayers before this farce goes any further.

Anonymous said...


Although there was a front page headline when the city decided to fight the firefighters on their arbitration request, there was no mention of the fact that the city paid their hired-gun lawyer tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars to fight arbitration and lost.

Gear up, this will likely be the first of many losses the city will face as they continue their campaign of harassment against the fire department. Everyone knows that the city has not acted honorably regarding contract negotiations, and their tactics will likely be highly scrutinized by the courts and arbitrators. This has always been a bad strategy from the beginning and will do little more than waste a lot of taxpayer dollars. When this whole thing blows up in their faces I hope the voters will remember who took us down this road in the first place.

Anonymous said...

8:32 stop acting like a local smoke eater. YOU ARE NOT because you would not be talking like this. None of them feel this way and would never act as if they did.
This is just one strike for the city, and will be served some more in their quest to destroy the rights of their employees.
Be prepared.. its going to cost money to fight, but also cost more money to put things back together as they have said for so many years. The only new thing will be a new city manager, mayor and council for all these costly mistakes.
Stand up citizens, and hold them to the fire for their wrongful decisions. Maybe the high priced lawyer who is laughing all the way back to NYC is in the best seat. He will never deal with watertown or any of us up here again, but still made big bucks... Wake up!!!

Anonymous said...

I'm on board with 6:29, 6:30, and 6:34. A CM hired to run the City of Watertown without any knowledge or experience in the field should have been willing to at least listen to to the employees hired to run each and every department in the city. Many miss steps - the latest by putting someone recently retired from the city in a temporary position with NO expertise in fire fighting to "tell those who do have that expertise" how to develope fire department procedures. It is very obvious the mayor, council and a few others wanted a yes person in the position. The CM has been given very poor advise and guess who will be the "fall guy" for this mess.

Anonymous said...

So, what does Slye do for us, from good ole Syle and Burrows?? There is the ultimate winner/amateur. Every time we have an issue we have to bring in...wait for it...a "czar" or "consultant." Yet we throw stones at others for doing the same things. Isn't politics and narrow viewpoints fun!!

Anonymous said...

Sad part, it's been almost two years with no end in sight. How often do they do these contracts? By the time they get this one done, will it be time again to start over? City Hall needs to put all the junk aside for two weeks, and really get this one done. We can't go into another year with nothing done.

Anonymous said...


Management Rights in all Labor Agreements:

Management has the right to Eliminate and / or Combine Jobs.

Suck it up Fireman. You are going to lose and yes you can Arbitrate it.

End of story. Soon to be.

Anonymous said...

Well, seems as though Addison's, Roy's, Slye's & Butler's chickens will be coming home to roost soon... The fallout should be interesting to watch.

Anonymous said...

Boy,that lawyer from downstate must be chuckling,he came up here,got paid for a case that he knows,or should know if he is versed in public employment law,he cannot win.And away he goes,with a fat check,smirking about trimming the local yokels.No matter,it is just your tax dollars,not really important I guess.

Anonymous said...

Another lying lie headline from Scottykos.
The court did not say they can arbitrate.
The judge said it is up to the arbitrator to rule if they can arbitrate.

Keep up the good work Addison and keep the pressure on these union thugs. The taxpayers are counting on you ti right size our fire department like Oswego and Cortland did. don't let a few arson fires and bad ruling get you discouraged. You are in this for the right reasons and for the long haul.

Anonymous said...

I'm with ya, 6:34. You just don't want to be so vocal about facts, and I understand that. Truth is, with all the contract language we've enjoyed for the last couple decades, there's no way we can be stopped. Screw the taxpayers. We need more captains. Kinda reminds me of the FBI, where all agents are special agents. We will beat them stupid taxpayers into the ground on this. But I agree with you. We shouldn't rub their noses in it, we should just laugh all the way to the bank.

Anonymous said...

This equals a failed city manager, failed city city attorney and a failed city manager confidential advisor. They should all be held accountable for their incredible display of lack of judgment and understanding of labor law. That NYC city slicker took them and this city for a big time bilking. Watertown has been fleeced, no two ways about it.

Eyepublius said...

Memo to the City and CM: Get the checkbook out and ice down the crow. You deserve whatever is dished out, but we taxpayers and firefighters do not. — Dan Francis

Anonymous said...


A bad strategy right out of the gate. The CM does not have the skills to actually negotiate anything. This is because she came in here with no experience in most of the critical areas that she had to deal with. No finance or budgeting background (done by the GAO), no personnel experience (Done by the OPM) and no negotiations experience (way above her pay grade). So why was she hired? She told us her job at NSA was "to keep you safe at night". So let me ask you; how is she doing at keeping you safe? Cutting public safety is not keeping you safe. NEW CM NOW!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Do not forget she is the sister of Butler's golf buddy's wife.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting point 8:53.
No wonder the CM contract was renewed without protest. Mayor Butler should has recused himself from voting because of a conflict of interest issue.

Anonymous said...

No doubt, Mr. Roy is in this by default. He is a nice guy and only an employee with top leaders who decide what his daily business will be like. May not agree with her, but has to do what the boss wants and is looking for.
I feel sorry for him...Good guy, with a lost leader pushing his daily agenda.