Sunday, August 28, 2016

WDT: Paper Mocks CM's Spy Background

    As Fire Department negotiations drone on, the Third Floor isn't getting the support it expects from the second floor across the street.
     The Times, frequent critics of the fire union, is taking the CM to task over the hiring of former water czar Michael Sligar as the shadow fire chief.
      Calling Sharon Addison's explanation at times "absurd", this editorial questions the cost of Mr. Sligar and what expertise he brings to the table.
      City Hall has girded its loins for the fight to strip the CBA of minimum manning language that currently drives costs to levels the Mayor says are not sustainable. 
     Council was oblivious to the Sligar hiring and privately there is some grumbling but for the record the two Council members most in charge, the Mayor and Mr. Jennings are publicly backing the move.
     One thing in dealing with politics and media you need to remember. When in a leadership role, people are solidly behind you until the point they are not.
      http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/opinion/where-theres-smoke--addison-hikes-expenses-just-to-keep-tabs-on-fire-department-20160828

19 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ironic coming from Perry, who fancies himself and his opinions, to be expert on all matters in the universe.
Maybe if Perry had effectively managed and improved an organization, he would have some credibility in his opinion on this matter.

Mayor Graham, I get it that you like to stir the pot, but you come off just as bad as the Trump hating media. You lying and mischaracterization about this is just awful.

Council was not "obviousness" to the Sligar hiring, they simply were not aware of every last detail of what he would be doing. Specifically that he would be helping to keep the Chief honest and diligent in writing a new SOP.

There is nothing here that is "secret". Unless you count that it was secret that the sitting fire chief is unwilling, unable or untrustworthy, to write the new SOP.

There is no shame in the current chief being unable to write a new SOP. The vast majority of managers are only good, because they are good enough to carry out what had previously been put in place for them by other more advanced managers.

In this case an extra person, who is much smarter and much more pro taxpayer, is being brought in to help. This move makes perfect sense to everyone who has experience improving organizations. It is only the anti taxpayer people and armchair quarterbacks, who have trouble understanding it.

Anonymous said...

And the Times finally gets it right, spot on.

Anonymous said...

I havnt followed this drama recently but one thing leaves me perplexed.. We all know the reasoning behind this drama and I personally back city management going forward, but I cannot understand a statement I read this week.
The city manager told the fire chief to make up some kind of oversite report on scheduling or something like that some time ago.. He did not give her one.... Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. He is not following a directive given him.. You dont hire someone to help him do it you fire him and hire someone to replace the insubordinate chief... Possibly I dont understand something.

Anonymous said...

the city manager is not a political position. I forgot when that election took place. Although i am not a fan of the times, in regards to addison, it is time to cut ties and move on. The council must act on this divisive outsider who has alienated every group she has worked or negotiated with. We have some new faces on the council and they were chosen to help right some previous wrongs. This is one of those wrongs.

Anonymous said...

There is a brilliant comment over on the WDT's site by "Jim". this guy is obviously someone who is talented and gifted in high level management. He is also brilliant because he used a semicolon.
It s bit lengthy so I will just quote one compelling paragraph:

"This is not a matter of "we can't work to our processes because of these changes," rather an unwillingness to change the processes and procedures so they fit the given requirements and it seems evident to me that the chief is either drawing this out for as long as he can in protest or simply he is not qualified to manage change accordingly. Furthermore, bringing an outside entity with no relevant work history is irrelevant; if Sligar has experience in crafting processes that are well defined, measurable, repeatable and result in an expected outcome, then he should be able to add value to the task at hand in areas where the chief may have deficiencies (I'm reminded of my own dealings with Information Technology groups who, despite being process owners, couldn't write a procedure or process without numerous dead-ends resulting me to ask "and then what?").

Anonymous said...

Butler would be a good mayor under a strong mayor system. He has common sense and is a careful and cautious person.
Change the charter. Let the mayor be mayor and give him an administrative assistant to help with day to day duties.
Pay the mayor 50, the assistant 75 and that's less than is spent now.

Anonymous said...

I agree with "Jim," though I don't think use of a semicolon is all that brilliant (grammatically correct, maybe...). He brings a lot of interesting points up. I've heard a lot of complaints aimed at Sharon but if Dale would simply "git er done," there would be no conflict nor need to bring in help at an additional cost. So my question is, if he's the fire chief, why has he been unable to fulfill this obligation in a timely matter? What is preventing him from doing so? Quick math says at most, this move would cost the city $23K if Sligar works 40hrs/week for 3 months and I can't imagine for the life of me it would take that long to revamp a fourth, fifth or whatever draft they're on.

Anonymous said...

Has anyone mentioned that the person hired to help the CM and who retired from the city in a management position lives in Carthage and had no vested tax payer interest.

Anonymous said...

I like how they say that the demoted captains will take a 20% pay cut but spell out that they make $101,000.00 to start with. Why not print what their new pay is? It is over $80,000.00 per year. Perhaps the editor doesn't want to come right out and directly state such a large number, because it would garner even less pity for these guys than they are already getting (which is zero).

Anonymous said...

I guess the "Carthage guy" is like about 90% of fire department "no vested tax payer interest. Its funny the times would opine about how not to run fire department, oh like they know. Wait they want to run everything, without running for office. They might want to worry about running the paper.

Anonymous said...


251 you need to learn how to read. The total savings (from 8 demotions) is reported to be $101,000 but this is up from the 70,000 figure they gave to the times when the whole thing was first done. This figure is what was given by the CM and would also include a 9th position in codes and benefits reductions; not just raw pay.

Firefighters do not make even close to $80K a year. In fact, no one in the fire department, including the Chiefs make 6 figures. In contrast your CM makes over $125,000. Before you open your mouth and prove your ignorance you should at least try to get your facts straight. Next time be sure to have someone read it for you. I am embarrassed for you.

Anonymous said...


sounds like you got someone's attention down at foxxy's with this blog posting...

Anonymous said...

2:51 are you a Butler? They sometimes read the numbers to make their story seem more precise.
No where did it EVER say the captains make 101,000. The savings the city might save is 101,000. But their savings is no where near that since the high priced lawyer is 165,000, then another 50,000 for this budget, and the lost grant for 3 guys, and now sligar at 40,000. Where is her savings. And how much does the council really know how much she has spent? Or authorized???? and Ms. Addison saying she doesn't know how much the new Sligar is making for his new position????? That's a lie since she is in charge and knows everything else on everyone and their business. She needs to be held accountable for this lie and maybe be fired. I bet Chief Herman didn't give her information. She is a strong woman and wants it her way and if he didn't and she really wants him fired, then this would work for her favor. Its another lie and she again should be held accountable. How is our council including the mayor who is responsible for peoples investments, and the Jennings guy who is in charge of Public Health not seeing this and letting what they have for good decisions go away by her. Take your own responsibility and get rid of her before she really runs this city to the ground.. We are almost there now, and the current council and bobble heads are just letting their public service career go away with her.
Responsibility in our money and the city begins with the elected few.... next election there will be two more NEW people, and next election will follow suit.

Anonymous said...

This manager is a disgrace to the city, how does the council and mayor not see this? The rest of the public knows it and it is to the point I am embarrased to tell people I live in the city with all the stupid decisions the manager and council have made in the past couple years.

Anonymous said...


737 you seem to claim an awful lot of inside knowledge about this whole thing; almost as if you may have been involved. Your pandering to the City Manager is obvious and I suspect that you one of her inner-circle. As for the organization being improved that is laughable. She has run the place right into the ground with her mismanagement and should have been sent packing a long time ago. Hopefully, the next council will have the balls to actually recruit a real manger for the job. She was never qualified and we, the taxpayer, are being left to pay the bills. I for one can not wait until she gets her marching orders. Sligar is no Gary PIlon this I can assure you. He is POS plain and simple, just ask anyone who has ever worked for him.

Anonymous said...

you are right 11:44 it would not surprise me if Ms. Addison had her #1 henchman Mr. Roy keeping tabs on this blog and retorting.

Anonymous said...

11:44 and 4:55, it is clear that you two are fire queens. Not just because you come here to defend the indefensible, but because you guys are dim bulbs.

I have no inside knowledge other than what I read here. But it is obvious what is going on here and what needs to be done. The taxpayers are 100% behind the city manager. The fire department employees are against this common sense right sizing of the department.

If you were smart (and you're not) you should be getting all you can for yourself right now, because in the long run, you lose the staffing fight. The days of three trucks showing up within 30 seconds, to every fender bender are numbered. The days of 15 guys sitting around waiting for a fender bender are numbered.

Anonymous said...

Sounds to me that 9:05 has ties to the third floor. Who else in this city cares about minimum staffing? Only the city manager cares because she is trying to deflect from her poor managing of city assets. Get rid of her now! Before she does more harm to this city that she does not even live in.

Anonymous said...

Really 5:23? And just who will these NEW council members be? Do tell if you have any info. so we can size them up good on this blog and see if they can take it.