Tuesday, August 23, 2016

Sligar Hire Sign of Third Floor's Antipathy to the Fire Chief.... | WWNY TV 7

    As a member of the City's bargaining team, then water czar Michael Sligar is said by  those close to have been an ardent foe of the current Fire Department and sees the need to bust up the cabal.  He had just come off the stormy firing of a high ranking Water Department staffer in a fight where he earned the allegiance of the CM.
    His job now is said to be to work with Fire Chief Dale Herman, but it is clear the Third Floor  feels the Chief  has  been thought an impediment to reorganizing the FD.  The stated goal is to make the Chief accountable for implementing the parameters approved by Council, and that includes the demotion of eight captains.
     This is all brinksmanship.
     Some Council candidates from last time are already talking a redux, including ,we hear, Capt Todd Demar, who was the straw that stirred the drink in last year's municipal races. Look for Cliff Olney and Henry Ryan Wilkenson to vie again, this time for seats held by Mr. Jennings and Councilwoman Teresa Macaluso.
      Today on the HOTLINE there was discussion of the current Fire situation, mostly critical....However, when you cut through it all, it's about unraveling minimum manning so the City can do what Oswego did in a bid to control long term expenses.
      Mr. Sligar's hire is part of that strategy and brinksmanship. Meanwhile, City taxpayers, most of whom make far less than all the aforementioned, just keep chugging along.
       Meanwhile, two members are privately advocating their own changes at City Hall, including perhaps to the very structure of governance.  Fights over the FD, the pool and the proposed rental inspection law suggest choppy seas ahead for City leaders.
      Sligar Hired To Help Sort Out Watertown Fire Department Staffing | WWNY TV 7 - News, Weather and Sports for | Local News

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

I really hope that this Sliger scandal is finally the straw that breaks the back of the city manager form of government. It's high time to demote City Manager Sharon Addison and take our city back!

Anonymous said...

I would like to see newzjunky put up an online poll on which form of government the people of Watertown prefer; a city manager or mayoral.

Anonymous said...

MICHARL SLIGAR is no friend of labor, that much I can tell you. You should have enjoyed your retirement and went fishing Michel, because you are about to kick a hornets nest...

Anonymous said...

When people are smiling about Unions and jobs let the Union be ware.

Sligar is a smiler that can't be trusted.

He'll hit and then run and he'll be done.

Anonymous said...

12:58, if he is not a friend of labor, then he must be a friend to the average citizen. And no, Sir, it is the greed of the firequeens that caused this. The blank check policy of the past is now unaffordable.

Anonymous said...

Kick a hornets nest? What does that mean? More arson?

Oswego has a much stronger union presence than Watertown does.
Yet they are allowed to make these common sense downward adjustments to their bloated fire department, and no arson has happened yet.

Anonymous said...

In Oswego the mayor's job is part time, hire him to come fix the department part time. Looks like he has the balls and brains to do it and it only took him 4weeks and no consultants 😀

Anonymous said...

In Oswego the strong mayor can work for $40K as long as he also gets a job in Assemblyman Barclay's office. Most people couldn't give up a career to do that.

Anonymous said...

can the city vote to decertified the whole department and open a new city only or county-wide one with a mix of full-time and volunteer? I think like Oswego the Mayor and council have to take drastic measures and the WFD is not concerned about anything but doing all they can to keep inflating their paychecks and retirement. The rest is PR to keep the cushy jobs.

One thing to count on is the older members will always eat their young to protect the status quo and retire fat. The younger guys should not trust the leadership to protect them vs their personal benefit.

BTW I am stunned at the lack of minority or female firefighters as percentage of the department... PS Italain and Irish are not minorities. Is single leader not a white male?

Anonymous said...

I want some money back from the useless lawyer firm, some common logic to be allowed to enter City Hall, and people need to stop playing with the city's future. I see people who are using politics to play with our safety.

Anonymous said...

Hey Hey, HO HO, Addison & Slye have got to go!

Hey Hey, Ho Ho, Addison & Slye have got to go!

Anonymous said...

don't worry, when our City Manager gets done with all this the savings from the department will be re-spent with advisors, "czars", legal fees, etc.. time to move on and start over. This council owes it to the city to look for a new manager. We tried and lost on this one. It's like sports, you fire the manager and just move on. We wouldn't have been able to know ahead of time that she was in over her head in this position. Time to move on, that's all.

Anonymous said...

She hired someone who almost poisoned the city. Those who saved his butt from doing it were fired or retired. The "whole story" is still being kept from the public here. Was influence from the local military that advised the city manager? Why didn't the local paper go much further to find out the truth? Instead of being grateful, he pursued a vendetta against those who dared not go through him to save both him and the city and the Mayor from potential damaging litigation. The only real question is, why did our City Manager and then Mayor go along with him at the time and now she seek him out to help her war against the Fire Department?
What is so special about a former "water commissioner's" "expertise" in these situations that qualifies him as such a highly paid "consultant"? There are certainly other more legally knowledgeable as well as experts in civil government available other than a former water commissioner that could be hired.
The only reason for this seems to be his part of the "managing" of a prior conflict that the facts, for the most part, the public were kept ignorant of by city management and governance.
He is being hired WITHOUT the citizens knowing really why a former water commissioner is THE best qualified to "render assistance". Having a position in a DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT does NOT qualify him as such. And if there are other reasons for doing so, WE should know them.

Anonymous said...

I am still waiting for Sligar to come after me without his weapons as he told us in a senior staff meeting if we crossed him. I could only laugh at the coward at that meeting. Still waiting. You know who I am.

Anonymous said...

Re 7:47
I remember hearing about that incident when Sligar went off. Should have reported him for making a terroristic threat and put his ass in stir.

Anonymous said...

Where has the CM been over the past few months. It seems she has taken refuge somewhere behind something because you never see her out, unless your in establishments near her cottage (home) and you never see or hear her responding to questions by the paper, or any media. Isnt that her job to be able to respond and answer questions from the public? Or will that be a new job again to have a public information officer to answer all her calls and news media requests? Again, where has any of this saved her money or us as taxpayers money. If it is not settled shortly, she should be fired for spending money she was saying she needed to save. Save 101,000 and spend 165,000 the first year, 50,000 added this year, and now 45,000 on the new Sligar model, not to include the three jobs she was offered for FREE. Add it up, and you will see it way outspends what she originally wanted and should be FIRED!!!!!!!!! Where is our council and mayor on all of this.. Just letting her Go and spend our money. Its all on their backs and watch, so I really hope they are not trying to move on to bigger and better political careers. Macaluso has been quiet too. I really think she realizes how crazy her responses have been and the pot she has stirred up, is not coming to bite them all in the back side.

Anonymous said...

7:25, you are absolutely right. The manager should be made to answer some very important questions about her actions instead of the infrequent non answers she gives. These answers are most likely because she has no clue what she is doing. How long is the council going to continue to allow this farce to go on? Name one thing she has actually accomplished since she has been here other than causing controversy, hate and discontent, dividing the taxpayers on issues and offering no guidance while spending more than ever on others do do her job. Lets see she accomplished a 13 million dollar arena renovation that can not make ice, drove all the events out of said arena, diminished our public safety while spending more money to do so, hired many consultants and commisioned studies that she apparently never read, overseen a ongoing Factory Street project that is causing the few businesses we have left in the city to close their doors. Other than that I can think of nothing she has done. It is time for council to pull their heads out of the sand and change the course this city is on while there is something left.

otherwords1 said...

You all have to realize that the City Manager is really trying to save the city money in the long run. For some time it has been known that our firemen have a higher pay scale than most same size cities, of even ones that are larger, in our state. That does not mean that in Long Island, where the cost of Living is more than triple ours, that a larger wage there means they are paid more. Remember, wage scales rare relative to the area where one works. And if that is true, then our Firemen are paid too much, as are our teachers.
The difference between fireman and teacher, however is that people working for the fire department I don't think cast a wide net to locate a job like this whereas teachers search for a job goes even beyond state lines. This is why teachers salaries may be higher because certified teachers won't work for less, even if the median income of an area does not match the wage and status they are given also.
Both come down to what a wage should be for these people to work in the local wage environment.
The hospital CEO making 8,000,000 here is like another CEO in a larger urban area making much more than that. So too with other high paid administrator types.
The problem become one of citizens having control over what wages are paid to local entities who either serve in government, or such non profits that provide critical services to the area.
For instance....Should the Sheriff or Chief of Police get as much as the CEO of the hospital because of the vital service performed by our police? How about the head of our DPW because he too has a vital responsibility to insure the safe means of travel and the general maintenance of infrastructure?
The question becomes, what and who should be considered as the most valuable member or members of our community and how much should we pay them for that service?
Business dictates-"they will be paid by what the market is willing to give". So then, are the wages for these people decided by that will? If not, who's will is it that gives them what is considered worthy of their services?
I know this is long, but please consider what is said here, Mr. Moderator......