Thursday, August 18, 2016

Samaritan: Nurses Won't Be Allowed to Work For 11 Days | WWNY TV 7 -

      An eleven day lockout.....Wonder if that's good PR or just what the lawyer says in the give and take of negotiations going nowhere. This hospital-nurse dispute takes the attention off the firemen which seems to be going nowhere.
     Just hope I don't get sick the first two weeks of September.
Samaritan: Nurses Won't Be Allowed to Work For 11 Days | WWNY TV 7 - News, Weather and Sports for | Local News

31 comments:

Anonymous said...

There's nothing like the confidence in your caregiver and continuity of service when there's no guarantee on any given day who ~~ if anyone! ~~ will be there to see to your needs. It's bad enough when one side starts with the no-shows, but it's even worse when the countermeasure is even more unpredictable in it's nature.
That hospital is up-and-down ran by morons.

Anonymous said...

At issue (supposedly) is staffing levels. Not knowing all the ins and outs, I'd be much more inclined to believe the nurses before management.

That being said, if these very well paid nurses are indeed sincere in their concern about patient care, perhaps they may be willing to concede some contract issues in order to allow for increased staffing?

Seems as though that would be the altruistic thing to do...

Anonymous said...

Half of them don't work as it is.
Bring Tinker back !!!!
Last time I was in the ER, the nurses acted like teenage convenience store employees on the graveyard shift. Swearing and talking about their dirty laundry to each other, chewing on snacks, while ignoring the patience.
They need a customer rating system for that hospital and specifically the nurses plus they need to tie their pay scale to the overall rating.

Anonymous said...

That's gonna really contribute to patient care. Samaritan needs to be boycotted by the folks. They can find a million dollars a year to pay their head administrator, but can't afford to cut staff to levels that are completely ridiculous. How bout Mr Carman take a ten percent cut, and add a couple nurses? If I were the nurses, I would make sure his salary was published to the penny. A million dollars a year. That's about six school superintendents. People, if you have a problem, especially during Carman's puke job on his nurses, go to River Hospital, or Carthage, and if you're really sick, Syracuse. Don't contribute to that fat and happy administrator. And again Mr Carman, why don't you release the nurse to patient ratio for the nursing home? We wouldn't want that, would we? I give you credit. Our million dollars a year buys a real, hard nosed thug.

Anonymous said...

Your postings are sometimes reckless and irresponsible. No matter what side of the issue you're on the hospital has a responsibility to see that care is uninterrupted. For you to suggest otherwise is idiotic on your part.

Anonymous said...

Sounds like the union breaking pogroms of the days of yore. Well done Tirene. You should expend your creativity on providing quality care to patients rather than punishing your well meaning concerned nurses. Back to your Island oasis. Anon.

Anonymous said...

Awful, simply awful, Tom. Fire them all. Hoe DARE they challenge Oz! A raise for you , good Sir!

Anonymous said...

Wake up !!! The hospital broke the other union (Local 721 ) Now the nurses are the last group they need to deal with. they will spend hundreds of thousands dollars bringing in nurses to staff the hospital for a longer period of time rather then pay you a small raise and address staffing problems. your union like the rest of the unions in this city that have been busted by management can not stand their ground and walk a picket line for any length of time before you have some nurses go weak and cross the line . Trust me i've walked many a picket line and watch a few cry babies after a couple of days fold and walk back into management loving arms. Unions are only as STRONG as there members. How strong are you ??

Anonymous said...

There's a reason every couple weeks someone is arrested for disorderly conduct at the ER. And it has everything to do with incompetent idiots giving them the run around and nothing to do with management.

Anonymous said...

How this all sounds so familiar. WE have a CM who treats employees the same way. cut the services when you have millions of dollars going to stupid lawyers and other places like an arena, pools, hidden employees and agendas. All of which is paid for on the backs of the safety of their members and residents. The Hospital is putting it all on the backs of their nurses and patients. Try doing a nurses job for a day and see how your feet feel and the stress of protocols you have to follow to make sure your not sued. Nobody knows how stressful a job is until your in the shoes of those employees. Councils and management sometimes forget the shoes and only look at the pockets and knee jerk reactions. On another note, its so good to see the Police retirement taking place and new ones coming on so soon. Promotions being held and the drug issues still being horrible, speeders still being on the road, kids still getting in trouble.. Great way of business again..Kill one department and add to another when they are both so important. The final tally will show how bad of decision making our CM and high priced lawyer really are, and the council sat back and allowed them to do it. Its us taxpayers who will be paying for this again...

Anonymous said...

207... isnt management responsible for hiring and retaining the incompetent idoits to which you refer? its the management that keeps the salaries low except for themselves and the staffing short.
And you are up late... did the fog horns from the freighters wakeyou up?
You can see Carmons and others salaries at www.foundationcenter.org

Anonymous said...

The salaries of the SMC management team should be made public. Then publish the salaries of the hard working CNA's working for minimum wage while Carmen and the fat cats make millions. Samaritan is horrible.

Anonymous said...

Samaritan has been allowed to form a healthcare monopoly here and now everyone is paying the price

Anonymous said...

First of all IF this or any hospital in NNY where margins are razor thin gives in to unrealistic ratio demands , it will force layoffs in other areas of the hospital , particularly in sub optimal service line departments .

No one hospital up here can afford to ENRICH staffing ratios .without balancing those costs by cutting in other areas .

ANd for those who know nothing about running a complex enterprise with budgets in the 100 million to 500 million dollar range , you need to appreciate the complexities of operating in a declining reimbursement environment where the ONLY people getting rich are INSURANCE COMPANY EXECUTIVES and the pulation in NNY is realatively stagnant or in some counties declining, while the payor mix reimbursement rates are further in decline

No iam not a SMC employee, officer or boardmember but i am a person who has knowledge of the healtcare finance sector and have studied this sector of the economy for over 25 yrs .and seen huge change in the last 2-3 yrs " This issue of reimbursments will only get more honerous in the future and hospitals will morph into serving a greater percentage of their patients in an OUTPATIENT mode .. When this shift happens a greater percentage of staff will be need there than for inpatient populations .

Yes this is a huge change BUT IT IS OCCURING across the US ... Just sayin like Yogi Berra ... The future AIN'T what it USED to BE .

Anonymous said...

9:34, something I said must have excited you. I thank you for your interest. Go ahead, explain how $1,000,000 plus bennies is reasonable. You say the hospital has an "obligation" to staff appropriately. What kind of bs is that? What are you, one of the underlings up there?

Anonymous said...

One other thing, 9:34, if you do a search of the salaries of the Cleveland Clinic administrators, you find a figure of $126,000. Just so you know, that is one of the finest hospitals in the world. Now go ahead, explain to us how Samaritan pays their head figurehead $1,000,000+. And you call me reckless and irresponsible. As Dannie likes to say, tick tock and all that.

Anonymous said...

The nurses knew what they were doing. They are going to walk out for 1 day. The hospital can not get replacements for one day. The temp company requires a minimum number of days. So if the hospital does not want to shut down for one day they have to hire temps for two weeks. The hospital has no choice here - they nurses brought it on themselves.

Anonymous said...

3:13 you are totally wrong the CEO of The Cleveland Clinic , Dt Toby earned. 2.1 million dollars google it !!

Anonymous said...

Two hospital executives in Pittsburgh earned over 13 million dollar between them so again 3:13 you need to do fact checks before making outrageous claims .

Anonymous said...

9:34 comment was intended to be directed to the writer of this blog.

Anonymous said...

7:29, that pay you are lying about is based on his work as a world class doctor, NOT as an administrator. So you think a Million is in order for Samaritan's stiff suit? Let's try to keep it honest here. Carman is not a doctor, although in your mind he played one on TV.

Anonymous said...

BLthe two.CEOS IN PITTSBURGH BOTH EARN OVER 6 MILLION EACH AND THERE RE.SEVERL OTHERS.IN THE NORTHEAST EARNING 7figures. Google.it

Anonymous said...

8:08 AM, the union have more of an influence on employees than management. Although there are certainly procedural issues at the joint that should be fixed my mgmt.

Anonymous said...

9:42, how much do you think someone should be paid to run a multimillion dollar hospital? Maybe you should apply for the job and offer to do it cheaper?

Then again,there are lots of jobs that pay more than a million...and isn't it sad that...as smart as you are, you still are not being considered for any of them? Maybe...just maybe...you aren't as smart as you like to think you are.

Anonymous said...

They spend like crazy, buying up homes, tearing them down, and put in a parking lot(taking those properties off the tax roll), and build, build, build. It is just a union busting medal for management. Why do we need a guy that plants flowers and plants all over the place? Time to trim the fat, and realize we are the lifeblood of the place.

Anonymous said...

As a previous poster stated as the bulk of the hospital business shifts from inpatient care to outpatient care THAT national trend WILL have an impact on the number of nurses needed for inpatient care at most hospitals .

Now is not the time to be making unrealistic demands , that dynamic could be here quicker than you might imagine.

Anonymous said...

Samaritan needs more competition in this area, the hospital had it to good since THEY PUT MECY HOSPITAL UNDER YEARS AGO. No competition leads to corporate greed.

Anonymous said...


I am not a nurse nor am I married or related to any. I am however a resident of this community and someone who relies on the hospital for my care and the care of those important to me. The hospital is greedy and the elites in charge do not care one bit about patient safety or convenience.

There is a minimum number of nurses required to provide good patient care, plain and simple. The hospital has plenty of money and is in a constant state of expansion. It does not seem unfair to provide staffing levels that are safe and in line with national standards. A $1,000,000 salary in Northern New York is ridiculous. Mr. Carmen is way overpaid and his salary is being supplemented by those at the lowest levels of the organization (who by the way do most of the actual work). The nurses are not asking for huge pay increases of benefit expansions, they just want safe staffing by an organization that can afford it. ; What is wrong with that?

Anonymous said...

Those minimum numbers you talk about are simply conjecture and a negotiating tactic .used by any union to advance an agenda . The larger agenda is can this organization remain economically viable in a rapidly changing healthcare financing scenario that is playing out all across the country . A business any business has an OPTIMAL staffing target that keeps the concern both productive , safe and able to make its margin .

Demands ,especially emotional demands based on wants rather than needs are not the way to survive in difficult times . Im certain that ultimately cooler heads will prevail and reasonable compromise achieved but until that happens people need to understand the 3nvironm3nt ina larger context .

Again not affiliated with SMC at all , do not live in Watertown but hav.e a longstanding interest in the healthcare industry as an economic engine in the region .

Anonymous said...

The nurses are the last BIG GAME group to be hunted down by hospital management , All the other bargaining units were screwed in past contracts so ladies & Gents don't act like this was a big surprise in coming . How well you fare on your contract will be will be based on how strong and organized you are.

Anonymous said...

I am a nurse ... I do not work at SMc... But there truly is a staffing issue. When beds are routinely
closed in the ER because their are no nurses on shift to care for them, when patients are diverted because there is not enough staff to care for patients and when patients are kept for days in the ER because there are not enough open usable beds on the floors due to lack of staff - then this is an issue. The majority of RNs are working a great deal of overtime and vacations are denied due to lack of staff. There is a staffing issue. I have personally been in contact with 6 different travelling nursing agencies and this is costing SMC 4 million dollars for these 14 days they are hiring the travelers. These workers are not asking for more money. They are asking that positions that are open be filled.