Thursday, June 23, 2016

WDT: Factory Street Costs Rise as Project Creeps Along

      A series of cost overruns, partly related to bad engineering estimates, is ballooning the cost of the slow-as-molasses reconstruction of Factory Street which won't be completed till next year.
      More change orders are expected.
      These are the kind of frustrations I don't miss. 
     

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

It's a mess. Anything government does usually turns out this way. The problem is budget cuts. We need to pay more in taxes. Not all of us of course. Those who don't pay and get special deals should have those perks forever, especially if one lives near a golf course. But regular folks should pay their fair share. Per se and all that bs.

Anonymous said...

What a surprise, a government project that costs more than budgeted and takes longer to complete. Bet no one is held accountable. Oh well, as soon as this project gets down, it'll be time to start on the square and on State Street again.

dajeep said...

Sounds like they need to hire a high-priced "facilitator", or maybe a couple of consultants might do the trick (sarc).

Anonymous said...

We need to pay more in taxes ? You got to be kidding !! They Just need to spend all the tax dollars that they are stealing from the poor working class and spend it more wisely.

Anonymous said...

I can live with a little inconvenience for a couple years longer than it should take. The important thing is that the contractor hired enough minorities, women, gays, transsexuals and party line donkey voters.

Anonymous said...

The major problem is there is no way of knowing exactly what is underground until you dig it up. Factory street has 150 years of subsurface human activity with no real records. This project is seething with known-unknowns. Buck up fellow tax payers lets hope it get done sometime next year.

Anonymous said...

I was listening to K-Roc 105.7 out of Kingston. They are redoing the main street there, not sure of the name, and they are calling it the BIG DIG and encouraging people to go down town to witness history. Isn't that a much better spin to put on the Factory Street project instead of complaining about it? The City of Kingston actually produced PSA's that make it sound like a good thing and encourage people to visit the construction site and frequent the business in the area.
The Square was a mess, State Street was a mess but now look at them. Factory Street is a street that hasn't been redone on this level since it was paved the first time. Try to think positive! The negativity is part of what drives people from here.

Anonymous said...

Not entirely true. I have retired from the water department under Mr. Gaffney's time. The filter media replacement and fluoride tank and pumping all came under budget. The Thompson Park pump house also came under budget. I know because we were allowed in the decision process. Mr. Gaffney also stopped feeding soda ash for corrosion control that at the time of his dismissal saved the COW over a million dollars. He never stood on a soap box and proclaimed these improvements. If you need confirmation ask Mr. Pilon.

Anonymous said...

7:50, is that what they did in Flint to save money on water treatment? Sacrifice a little bit of the pipes life, let the lead flow and save money.
Anywhoo...the difference in your examples is that Pilon was actually good at his job.

Quit defending the indefensible. Factory street may have some cost overruns do to unknowns, but the main reason is that they are working very slowly with very few people and inferior workers and inferior equipment.

That means when they run into an old basement or break an old pipe, they can't go through it or fix it in a reasonable amount of time. In addition, when working in the unknown, they also encounter conditions that were better than expected. But we don't see any savings for that do we.

And once again, this is the only project where they were allowed to shut down traffic in one direction for the duration and close the bridge for months on end. All because it is for the north side residents, who don't deserve the have money spent on them.

Anonymous said...

8:00 the added soda ash plugged peoples hot water heaters yearly. As far as controlling corrosion; the lead and copper levels or concentrations lowered during Mr. Gaffney's time. The dirty water complaints were less than 10% from the previous years when soda ash and sodium silicate were used in combination.Let me know when you are ready for your next lesson. The AWQR have all the data to back up these statements.

Anonymous said...

9:39, it sounds like you need a lesson in cause and effect. I have seen enough pie charts and bar-graphs prepared by bureaucrats and pinheads, to know when someone like you is trying to blow smoke up our caboose. If there is a good reason not to use soda ash, just cite a study or a professional organization that says so. Don't try to use your own flawed internal bogus statistics to justify it.

Anonymous said...

10;11 next lesson, sodium silicate was used for the last 40 years at the COW until the plant expansion. The engineers sold the city on the need to add soda ash. The COW had already passed the same standards that Flint could not on L&C MCL's. Gerry Ward continued to use soda ash until 1996 when Mr. Gaffney was promoted. That stopped after Mr. Gaffney submitted a plan to NYS DOH which was approved. Resulting in OVER $1,000,000 million dollars saved. Once again and I will lead you to look at the cost of soda ash in paid for in the 2000 COW budget and project from there. Why 2000 because a study was conducted by approval of NYS DOH Let us talk DBP"s next.