Wednesday, June 29, 2016

WDT: Big Wind Begging Is Wearing Out Its Welcome at 175

   There are lots of tax breaks already in place for various people and businesses, but local lawmakers seem to be getting the message that these wind schemes are not something the public is interested in.
    A key county leg committee recommended against the latest giveaway.
http://www.wwnytv.com/news/local/County-Committee-Says-No-To-Wind-Farm-Tax-Breaks-384824771.html

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Its the right move, but you still don't seem to comprehend the difference between a giveaway and a PILOT. I PILOT involves at least one payment. Which puts it at a disadvantage to the significant percentage properties that are already completely tax exempt. But if a lack of a PILOT stops an investor from investing in the area, then it is the tax payer who is out, while the investor moves their money to some place "open for business".

In the case of windmills, it is good for us that they are taxed at an outrageous value, unless they get a PILOT, because we don't want them here. But if we did give them a PILOT so that they were paying a more normal and fair amount of tax, it would not be a giveaway.

Anonymous said...

But 802 if there's a need for something the market will decide, and the property is built, ie housing, there was a need for housing but we gave them a PILOT also, it's upside down thinking........It's like calling a Car Dealer an Industrial Park........Like Bradley St.

Anonymous said...

As long as there is never any wind allowed in Cape Vincent, I'm happy. I know I always have a place to go to enjoy a wind free safe zone.

Anonymous said...

"A key county leg committee", huh?

Our county legislature is a bunch of ne'er do well, buffoons.

Anonymous said...

And Allen Drake AKA "Draker" voted not for the agreement, the last time he voted for a PILOT for Big Wind??? His Village lost 16K in sales tax and the town lost 66K.......Thanks Al.Tim T.

Anonymous said...

Noticed the picture of the wind farm NJ posted today on Tug Hill,it makes the landscape look like crap.People are selling away the natural beauty of that area for a pittance of the money those companies make off them,then will be left with the rusting hulks of those things for their kids and grandkids to somehow dispose of.Sad.

Anonymous said...

There's nothing wrong with windmills, or what they look like, 1:25. Don't be afraid. Life will work out. The only sad thing around here is you. You're not related to a Wiley, are you?

Anonymous said...

8:12 your circular logic doesn't reveal the truth. A PILOT is a payment in lieu of taxes. Whatever the payment is(and it is always a low percentage of 100% taxation), the taxpayers lose, because they will not get the full taxation they deserve. The wind projects do not provide the necessary volume of jobs that are a prerequisite to offering a PILOT, which in practical terms is a tax exemption by degrees. A PILOT is nothing more than an incentive to develop while the overall financial logic, which is driven by net benefit to the county and region screams out in contradiction-do not develop! There is more at stake than simple sales tax revenue or a windfall of revenue for the JCIDA. Alexander should be admonished for his unobjective position.

Scott Gray did the county a favor by urging townships and school districts to follow the finance committee's example.

Anonymous said...

This is definitely the site for breaking wind news!

Anonymous said...

I like that, 5:41. We have all be told to stay away from the Cape.

5:14, there is no 8:12. ?

Anonymous said...

Have no idea who a Wiley is, jerk,but I can look at our natural resources and see them ruined by greedy people without needing your stupid input.Maybe if they just pave over the hill and put up more windmills you will be happy.Looks just great.

Anonymous said...

5:14, your simpleton one-dimensional single-event analysis of the situation is not surprising, considering that you can't even quote the correct time of whomever it is that you are responding to.

In your simpleness, you do not account for several unknowns:

1. will the developer go through with the project if they don't get the PILOT? Or will they walk, leaving the tax payer with zero tax dollars and zero jobs to go with it.

2. How much burden does the project put on tax supported expenses? In the case of windmills, it is essentially zero. In the case of housing, it is a huge drain on schools and other public resources.

3. Will the project eventually pay taxes, or will its useful life be over when the PILOT is over? In most cases, eventually the development is taxed at full value.

4. Will the development harm other existing development in the area? In the case of housing, it most certainly does.

The proper anylisis is that it makes sense to deny PILOTs to windmills because we don't want the ugly eyesores around here. And the other reason is that we don't want to help the greenies stick it to the rate payers and electricity producers.