Sunday, May 15, 2016

WDT Calls for Kumbaya

      In a long awaited editorial, the WDT is urging the Third Floor and the Firefighters union to cool their rhetoric and save money by agreeing to a contract quickly. Well that sounds nice but City Council has gone too far to just give up their central goal of breaking the minimum manning clause in the contract in a bid to gain control over Department costs over the long run.
     The decision to hire Terry O'Neill, the downstate labor Svengali, was the Rubicon crossed for lawmakers and the managment and legal team that pushed for the move.
      Council never followed the lawyer's central strategy of breaching the contract in the hopes of litigating before a judge what they believe should be a key right of management and that is the level of staffing and ultimately the cost.
     Now the focus is shifting to a public relations battle to sway public opinion but so far most of the public only knows there's a nasty spat as the economics of the union contract have not been explained and the City's own study seemed to undercut their theory of the case.
      For their part, the union has the built in advantage of the state's Taylor Law and there is little incentive to settle for anything unless a lot of $$$ is thrown their way or they just get tired of the acrimony.
       The next step is a stated PR campaign by management to explain just why the contract's language is choking taxpayers while the union argues public safety has a cost.
        Someone will get around to a FOIL for the labor and lawyer costs and that will make for a headline or two, but it's clear at least four of five on Council are committed to their goal and that means the process will continue.     
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/opinion/labor-pains-standoff-between-city-and-firefighters-union-getting-pricey-20160515

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Perry has already written his opinion earlier this year, when he said that the city should toss the taxpayers under the bus and cave in to the fire union demands. Notice in his opening paragraph he takes the time to spell out the formal name of the fire union, so he can get the word "professional" in there, but he refers to the other side only as "city officials". The biased editor simply can't help himself.

And our mayor from last year, also seems to take delight in criticizing the city on this topic. I guess I can't blame him, I would have hard feelings if I were him too.

Is perry lying on purpose or ignorant of the facts, when he states that the union's objective is safety? No, the unions objective is to maximize the number of union fire fighter jobs. If they cared about safety, they wouldn't be pushing for 24hr shifts, which are well documented to be less safe than shorter shifts are, by every single study ever done.

And when Perry casually alluded to the idea that the city's own study supported the current staffing level, he conveniently left out the part of the study that recommend reducing staffing if they quit responding to the calls they shouldn't be responding to.

It should be made clear, that public unions are evil and they need to be broken. The way to break them is divide and conquer, take out the man on top and bankrupt them. That means you have to offer the senior members lucrative jobs in management to get them to turn on their fellow thugs. It means you have to get human resources involved to enforce employment rules whenever any of them step out of line. And most importantly it means you have to take every cage match to the final round, in order to make the union spend money on defending themselves. Perry needs to understand what the union understands. That the taxpayers have deep pockets. Spending money is part of the strategy.

In the short run the national union will help the local in the fight. But it doesn't take long for the national to show its true colors and that means they are in the business of taking local union dues, not spending them on local contract negotiations.

But the biggest lie in this entire ordeal is omitting the fact that it was the fire union who started trying to sway the public, way back last summer before the elections. The union lost in the court of public opinion. But now, in order to stay the course, the city needs to keep public opinion where it is, agaisnt the union, in anticipation that more elections will take place before this is settled.

Anonymous said...

If the COW was successful in "breaking" the contract for the WFD, then the rest of the Unions will also be in danger, and why sign a contract? Union Busting at it's best, Meanwhile we continue to pay a Lawyer, who will soon find out what the Taylor Law is...

Anonymous said...

755 Are you talking about the corrupt NYSCOPBA union and their thugs . or Possibly are you talking about our own firemen..
My only talking point is that all over this great country homes and business are protected by firemen who volunteer their time and their safety. They dont get overtime they dont get great benefits, they dont get to retire young just to go out and get another job and retire again later with another pension.
They worry about safety, but their biggest concern is their fellow citizens and their friends and community they live in.
Unlike our local firefighters union they dont want 24 hour shifts so they can have more time off and work another job now. When they go home they have days off with no concern. The volunteer people just simply go back to work and their daily life not expecting anyone to bow down or tell them how great they are..

Anonymous said...

9:49, I was talking about both. We need to make the local union spend money on litigation and soon the national level pimp will realize their local girls can no longer be counted on to hustle money for them and they will turn them out on the street to fend for themselves.

You are 100% accurate about the volunteers. But that's a different argument to make at another time. As you know, while fires have decreased 50% since the 80's, the number of fire positions has increased 50% in the same time period.
https://www.aei.org/publication/over-last-20-years-annual-fires-in-the-us-declined-by-about-50-while-career-firefighters-increased-more-than-50/

People don't live in the city because of the extra "service" they get, they live there because it is closest to the DSS buildings and free Obamaphones.

Anonymous said...

Hey 949 they could just take the exam, The VFD cost more than you think, and must be equipped with a full-service bar, and kitchen, have the Best of equipment, and of course bingo....

Anonymous said...

8:16, The contract is over! Its time for a new contract. The city's position is that they will not sign on to the foolish agreement that previous administrations agreed to> their position is that it is time for the management to run the fire department, instead of the union running it.

There is no danger to other city union employees because other departments have already agreed to reasonable contracts. It is only the fire department that demands to set the staffing levels as part of their agreement.

Anonymous said...

8:16, spare us with the union busting bs. What is going on of late is taxpayer busting. But all for a good cause of course.

Anonymous said...

The CM is going to lose this battle and hopefully her job. 1:22

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

Moron: "Obama-phone" program, which does not cost the taxpayers one penny was actually started under Reagan, expanded under Bush and still has one purpose:

The phones are discounted and sometimes free wireless services that started to become available to low income households in 2005, under George W. Bush.

It is an expanded and updated version of the “Lifeline telephone service program" that was launched in 1985, under Ronald Reagan.

The Lifeline Program And is explained here from the FCC.

Anonymous said...

Last I knew management DID run the fire department, the chief and assistant chief are management employees not union employees and are management staff hired for the expertise on running the department. Should their opinion on staffing not matter? that's what they were hired for. The union does NOT run any city department, the department heads run the departments.

Anonymous said...

Sorry 122, Whats reasonable one year won't be the next, as the City continues to look for more ways to save...

Anonymous said...

It may have been started earlier, Dannie, but your Liar in Chief built the free phone program to unheard of levels. Is it possible for you to be honest about anything? You are an amazing man. Hate your country, but love your party. At least you are not alone.

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

9:40 - "hate my country" ha the country I served faithfully for 44 years in a Marine uniform and later as DOD civilian? And shed blood three times in combat ... how dare you, you piece of dog shot hiding behind any anonymous label like the coward you obviously are. You are by any definition a disgusting human being.

How Jeff Graham allows such slanderous posts here is beyond me. He should be ashamed, too. That goes well beyond any "free speech" line of legality.

Anonymous said...

9:40, Danny's lie told often enough becomes the truth. You will note that the only source that is ever used to back up the Obamaphone lie is Obama administration FCC website. The left wing propaganda website Snopes uses that same source.
But if you actually research the topic for other sources the only thing you can fine is that some STATES begin to include restricted cell phones under the policy but not until the final few months of Obama's election, when his community organizers were in control of such things.

Bush's FCC never directed his FCC to approve it and up until Obama took office, they never did.

The original law passed under Reagan did not include cell phones and cell phones did not exist at the time.

Anonymous said...

you want to listen to a liar, just tune into Steve Weed or go to a council meeting. Listen to Macaluso and what she says. She was a nurse?? Maybe an aide, or LPN, but never a RN, the fire department knock on private houses to do inspections! Lets look at past records and ask code enforcement where the reports are for all these inspection.. NOWHERE!! They have NEVER inspected a private dwelling unless it was asked for, or invited over to check somethings for them, or during an emergency as Mr. Herman said. Besides, why has this just come to light now if she received complaints? Shouldn't she as an elected official turned this information over to the chief or CM to investigate the complaint? Why not before now, unless its because she doesnt have any complaint. I bet they have many records which will show if they did or did not make these inspections. Maybe someone can also show her the report they spent thousands of dollars on and shows how many fire trucks and police cars go to an accident. She said several fire trucks go to a minor accident and its embarrassing. You can download this study and look in it where it shows the number of calls the fire department go on, and where the spot shows the category of accident, there are very few of the times when two or more to on the emergency. Maybe 5 or 6 when there were over 100. That's pretty good odds that she is at all these calls, to make them sound like "Her most" is really only about 5. Its time she is made to prove herself when she states negative facts or complaints. She should have learned this in school many years ago, and probably would have when she was registered with ethics for her nursing or whatever she wants to say she was doing then.. oh yeah, that's why she was selling coffee.

Anonymous said...

Hey 4:31 stop ragging on Macaluso. She like the rest of us are paying your salary. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.