Tuesday, April 5, 2016

WDT: O'Neill Plays Hardball in Bid to Can Minimum Manning in Fire Department

         Unless the City caves, it could be a trip to court as the City seeks to eliminate minimum manning from the collective bargaining agreement for City firefighters.
         That is the only way the City can significantly reduce the number of smoke eaters on staff which has been a long time goal of the city administration and its legal counsel.
          For now it's mediation, then comes arbitration.  The City's labor lawyer , Terry O'Neill briefed Council on strategy this week. 
          There's a legal theory that requiring levels of employment takes away an intrinsic right of management, but getting that in front of a judge will take some time.
           The department's $9M budget and the multi vehicle response to minor incidents has had some Council members grumbling for ways to reduce the department.
Watertown Daily Times | City, Watertown firefighters begin mediation

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

Although this is obviously what the voters want, from listening to the new council members and hearing their extreme democrat tendency, the odds are that they will back down and let the union have its way.

Anonymous said...

God save the fire queens...

Anonymous said...

...they ain't no human being

Anonymous said...

What a crock 9:22! You're obviously a fireman or you've drunk the koolaid.

Anonymous said...

Thank you 9:32. He has done a great job protecting those who protect you for quite some time now. Who does everyone call when there is a disaster?, Flood? Ice Storm? Winter Emergency? and the list goes on. Its a job like many who don't take the test or try to get this job always wanted. Many think its a perk to have what they have but i would really like the job of National Grid where during a storm, they are all parked at Pete's or Sboros or Fairground Inn. And that's your money buying them dinner when they are already making big bucks on OT during the storm. That's a perk too but nobody complains.. if you do..take that job. Its that simple. How about the teachers that make more than the "fire queens" and have tenure which states they cant be touched either.. Mr. Butler's wife has this perk.. and has every summer,holiday, weekend, and snow day off. When it snows, I go to work. Thats a perk, but if I wanted to be a teacher, i would have done that already. Every job has its good and bad. IF you want the good in it, then take the job, otherwise, don't crab about what their perks are because they no doubt, have given up something to get that perk. How much has it costed the city to fight the "fire queens" in the past and present. A lot more than what it would have costed to add firefighters when someone retired and cut the overtime. Because its managements prerogative to not fill the positions, DONT blame it on the members who make the overtime to save your life. For that matter, cut the cops to only two or three, that's not safe, cut the DPW during the winter to two or three, that's not safe, cut the teachers and add double the amount of kids in their class, that's not safe, so why is it safe to cut the fire department when they are risking their lives to save yours?? Maybe some city hall staff should be cut. Others can do the jobs of fewer, but why has that not been an issue. Why does the city manager need a assistant? She has many department heads who are her assistants. Lean on them. Why does Mr. McWayne need assistants, there are many fire and police who can enforce what they can be trained for. Lets not always look at one spot.. Police budget is only about 1 million below the fire department and look at the vehicle costs. IF the fire department had explores and not all the equipment they have to carry by "Code" then their budget would be much less. Lets compare apples to apples. I still say look at and listen to the experts who have done the last THREE studies the management team has hired. AGAIN, the answers are not what you want and thats why your spending even more on Clepto..Terry who is milking the city for all he has been authorized to take. I bet he will take it all too, and what if he is unsuccessful? Now how much was it worth again.. THREE STUDIES, high priced lawyer, and still where you began. As for the number of vehicles at incidents, Macaluso said she was appalled to the number of Fire Trucks at simple accidents. She needs to work on colors because fire trucks here are yellow, the rest are police, ambulance and tow trucks. It really shows how she even looked at the study she hired them to do, when in the study it outlines the number of motor vehicle accidents for the year in the study was 121, and the number of times there were more than the two required trucks for this type of call was only about 6. "MOST" of the time as she mentioned, would mean maybe about 110 or so calls. There were only 6, so that only leads me to believe she needs to prepare herself before she speaks "again" and realize how unprofessional she really is.. Maybe she should be a lawyer too.. I'm sure the city will win most of her fights too.. NOT!!!

Anonymous said...

1047, We will just imagine who you are.. and really need to work on your Inglish... Your comments are really credible when you cant even write.
Now i see why your so upset with the fire queens, you couldn't even take the test because you couldn't even fill out the application.
Move on.. enjoy your state job... working for social services.. your next check is coming to you.. don't even use your new phone we bought you to call for your check, it will just show up in your account..

Anonymous said...

11:23 Now who do you think authored this piece? Butler chewed off more than he should have when having those back door negotiations with these people.

Only one individual comes to mind.......can anyone guess.

Anonymous said...

11:26, blame Johnny Rotten.

Anonymous said...

As a taxpayer I would much rather have a fully staffed fire department than a 12 million dollar ice arena, that should be a no brainer for the people we elected.

Anonymous said...

7:10 & 11:23 The writing style is all too familiar to posts written during the Mayoral race by friends of friends of the FD.

Could it be a former Council Candidate or close family that were all to willing to take credit for the race lost by Graham.

Everyone has moved on but the 7:10 poster now as a ax to grind with the current Mayor's wife and her benefits.

They can't help themselves and eventually the truth does come out by the same people that helped propel these same people into office.

'costed' not the smartest crackerjack in the FD! This is where your tax dollars are going folks, paid public servants. Meanwhile pony up more for your private healthcare co-pays and deductibles!

Anonymous said...

If the city is in such financial stress, why did we double the workforce of parks and rec, have more policemen than we have had in years? It looks to me like the city is creating its own overtime problem by not filling positions of people that have left.
Very poor management by council and city manager
As much as I hate to side with any unions, I think they are right on this one!

Anonymous said...

9:02 Naahhh, Ice eventually melts and the water dries up, leeches on the public dole never go away, come back year after year to milk the taxpayers dry until they are forced to leave the state cause they can't afford the public sector salaries and benefits.

Anonymous said...

Wait until they have no water!

Anonymous said...

That requires elected officials with brains not a requirement.

Anonymous said...

11:23 OMG, please go back and take remedial English courses. Perhaps you should seek out Mrs. Butler, her expertise and teaching certification would more than suffice and assist in overcoming your deficiencies in writing skills. Surely Mrs. Butler could fit this in during the summer down time when school is not in session as she may be able to fit you in if she is not herself enrolled in enhanced continuation teaching courses.

Anonymous said...

11:23 enroll yourself for help with run on sentences.

Anonymous said...

12:57,what are the numbers you are throwing out that the city suddenly has more police than ever? Exactly what is the staffing level in the last five years,if you have such inside knowledge?Sounds like you are talking out your ass.

Anonymous said...

8:53 just read the COW budget it is on line.

Anonymous said...

Looked it up,they have 64 sworn officers,no sudden increase in lots of police,as I said you are exaggerating or don't know what you are talking about.

Anonymous said...

8:53 how do the other staffing numbers look? Are you not concerned about those increases?