Wednesday, April 20, 2016

Watertown's Mayor: Firefighter Union Is Being 'Unfair' To Taxpayers | WWNY TV 7

    The Mayor's screed against the firefighters union is a welcome signaling of just what the third floor is looking to do.  This story says the City wants a 60 person department which would be one less pumper company and likely one less station, presumably the one on Mill Street.

     I think Mayor Butler's candor is welcome as the mystery and misinformation about this issue is epic.

     Watertown's Mayor: Firefighter Union Is Being 'Unfair' To Taxpayers | WWNY TV 7 - News, Weather and Sports for | Local News

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

Here are some figures for you Jeff that can be found on seethroughny.com, I can add and divide. Based on salaries from 2015, 75 FD members average is $68627.72. Based on salaries from 2015, 58 PD members (I didn't include members that were not employed the full year) average is $68660.64. Makes one wonder where people get their information.

Anonymous said...

Mayor Butler was left with the mess of previous council mistakes that approved that contract language that allowed employment levels stay at the high levels for many years . Get with it !! We can no longer afford it and cuts MUST BE MADE through out the city. . Other cities and towns have cut back to keep taxes in check . Some employees are eligible to retire and we can eliminate those positions . Its unfair for the council to keep asking city residents year after year tax increases .

Anonymous said...

wow,so no fire station on the north side of the river? Thank goodness those people don't worry about being expendable..

Anonymous said...

Instead of looking at such a significant tax increase, the first thing council should do is remove all of those 2.5% raises as proposed by the city manager. If there is such a fiscal problem in the city, there should be a wage freeze among management or anyone else that the budget proposes to receive that 2.5% raise.

I find it unbelievable that the city manager proposes a budget like this with cuts in some areas and yet she inserts a raise for herself which is a considerable raise (considering the percentage and the pay she gets now. That's called self-serving!

This budget cuts positions in some departments only to create another position in the same dept with a different title and probably a higher wage. Just shuffling the labels.

Anonymous said...

So if the council does reduce the number of firefighter positions, should the remaininng firefighters then receive parity with what a police officer makes? If you go online and compare what a vested firefighter makes compared to a police officer with the same amount of years of service the police officer makes approximately 10,000 more per year. So would parity be an option if reducing numbers?

Anonymous said...

I would have some of the fire dept helping out at the arena in the concession and if they refuse fire them.. They could work in the (non-emergency) time that they spend at the dept.. I also think their hours should be eight five days and no more..

Anonymous said...

Hey 10:12 you're right, think about it, if you worked at the DPW in the 80's there were 250 workers.....how many today? so few must be doing the work of many........So if you think about it, the DPW should be getting raises because there's fewer of them......Come to think of it the COW did a job study.cost 75K and found most workers were underpaid in comparison to other cities and businesses, as much as 4K underpaid.And the new CM denied the study...think about it....

Anonymous said...

If people on this blog can find mistakes on this budget; why can the council not do the same. Council needs to look at each Dept. and compare all expenditures from the last 3 years. Right now there should be no raises. It does not matter if sales tax is down, WFD & WPD salaries are too high, ice arena funding is wrong, etc. Do what is right for once. They must have voted for Bernie.

Anonymous said...

There are too many firefighters on payroll.

If there is a significant event, call them in. Or, gasp, use Fort Drum or volunteers.......

The thusfar unaddressed problem is the early (unrealistic) retirement offered civil servants in entire city.

Dump the defined benefit pension and go to defined contribution 401k/457b type plan.

It's math, not politics.

Anonymous said...

4:07 the dept heads were slightly overpaid back then.

Anonymous said...

Not to many pensions left in private industry. This CM and council continue to hand out raises and add on their friends. WFD this year and another dept. next year.

Anonymous said...


This is just the beginning. We all know that garbage and bus are next. Leaves me to honestly wonder what services we are really getting for our tax dollars. A 12% increase and cuts to our services. Sounds like a double whammy to me.

How council can say that Sharon is doing and excellent job is a joke. How stupid do they think we are? I would hate to see what would be happening if she was doing a lousy job. What standard are they using to make these assessments? I heard that she was allowed to write her own job appraisal. I guess that would explain the "excellent" review that she got. Can't wait till the next election to finish what we started with the last one. We need a whole new slate of council people and some fresh leadership in the city.

Anonymous said...

I would guess they will start to sell off even more when the power contract expires. Water and sewage bring in revenue so they might be next if DANC wants them.

Anonymous said...

2/3 of the city fire fighters are living outside of Watertown and not paying city taxes , no wonder they don't care how much city taxes go up. If i was in charge all city workers would have to live in town.