Monday, April 25, 2016

Blame the Poor Always Good Politics

    Cutting the annual appropriation to the CAPC has been low hanging fruit for some time, but long considered forbidden fruit as doing so seems punitive to the poor, who make up a large portion of the city population.
     In some ways, throwing the relatively small appropriation their way was a way to say 'yeah we are helping everyone'. Not a lot of money, but something.
     Now its proposed to be eliminated.
     Those cutting are all set in life and don't know what poverty is all about. They don't see it walk by their house or shop in the stores they do.  The pension contributions for the Council and manager alone equal the amount given to CAPC, just to offer perspective. It's less than one tenth what is spent on lawyers.....Or less than the cost of one-half a cop or fireman.
       Those darn 'po folk....They are the ones behind that tax increase.
http://www.twcnews.com/nys/watertown/news/2016/04/24/city-budget-community-action-planning-council.html

27 comments:

Anonymous said...

If its not much money, as you say, then they won't miss it.
This stuff used to be taken care of by charity and religious groups. Now it is doled out by quasi government agencies and NFP's where the people working for them are the true benefactors.

Yes, those who cutting know what poverty is about and they see the recipients at least on the first of the month, because they have to wait behind them at the store while the poor folks buy their five dollar scratch-offs and smokes.

Anonymous said...


Very well stated Jeff. The city has a very high population of poor households that rely on the services (head start, financial planning, energy, food pantry etc...) that CAPC provides.

It really makes me question the priorities of those in charge. Helping the community should be a primary goal and thank God for places like CAPC that are providing a truly public service without excessive financial support from the city.

We are paying out $460,000 for lawyers, $12,000,000 for a 40 year old arena but can't afford to help the poorest residents of our community? Shame on the CM, Council and Mayor for not caring. Time to redefine our priorities or find new people that are more in line with the less visible portions of our community. Just because they do not vote does not mean that they do to matter.

Anonymous said...

I'll bet the amount given to the CAPC would be small in comparsion to PILOTS given to the developers of various housing projects..

Middle-Class Mike said...

There's real poverty in Watertown, NY and it's time for Councilman Jennings to get his mind of bugs and start thinking about how to help people get buy in a tough economy!

Steve how about calling Mayor Butler out for taking his 'scalpel' out and making token cuts into the poor people's lifeline and get him to make cuts into Fire Dept., Police Dept., and Parks & Recreation where overtime is a problem?

Mike Flynn 'Middle Class Mike'

Anonymous said...

“The fact that we allocate city funds to a ‘not for profit’ is highly unusual,” said Watertown City Manager Sharon Addison. “It’s come across that 44 percent of the clients are not city-based residents.” And just how far do we go....parks and recreation programs and staff are probably half non-city. The City provides much more in services to other non-profits...Park Conservancy, YMCA (facility use, police service for runs, pools for SACC program), and many others I am sure. If you touch one examine them all and do an across the board cut!

Anonymous said...

Helping the poor is not traditionally the job of the government. Of course the state has taken over welfare. It is a way that we control people and feel good about it.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone even take anything seriously anymore that the CM spews? I really tried to like this person buts it very plain that this import just has never been in touch with this area, our city, and never will be. As for CAPC, some tough decisions will have to be made in light of the boondoggle known as the Arena. Again, it will take time for this council to take shape and get things done. They have quite the mess to clean up.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how many management employees aren't City Based? I know of 4...

Anonymous said...

There aren't going to be so many poor people when Cuomo demands employers pay a livable wage of $15.00 an hour totaling 30k annually.

All in the grand scheme, employers forced to foot the bill take the less employable and take the benefits away.

Funny thing is that those employed at Walmarts will now be on the unemployment line collecting on the taxpayers since the jobs lost at Walmarts, your local gas station, Mickey D's, convenience stores can;t afford to pay or the people can't afford the passed on labor costs at the supermarket.

Dumb a## including the Low Class Middle Class Expert.

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

Says the woman who worked for NSA that spied on us w/o authority, and probably still does - pot-kettle comes to mind. And, of course, she negotiated a slick $120,000 salary, isn't poor by any stretch, and sure doesn't need CAPC help. Now that's "highly unusual."

Anonymous said...

I think I recall a time when our esteemed mayor opined that giving a break to DPAO on chair rentals for their concerts, was something that shouldn't happen. Is it fair to say you were "blaming the disabled"???

Anonymous said...

Well said Danny. Well said

Anonymous said...

Dan, we all know you are afraid of strong, smart women. But quit this war you have going with the city manager. You have already told us we can't even think about cutting the fire dept. In fact, as with most liberals, you can't seem to find the stomach to cut much of anything. When confronted with people like you, the city considers other areas. Unfortunately, that includes smaller programs like CAPC. And while you're puking hate towards the CM, remember, her salary is less than the dozen school districts around here pay for their superintendent. Even the smallest schools beat that figure. And there isn't much chance our CM will have city hall named after her, as is the case with your little buddies. Don't fret, we can say pretty much anything we want this week. They are all in the Bahamas.

Anonymous said...

Yes Danny well said. Slander the city manager. Falsely accuse her of spying on us and speculate that she probably still does.
We get it. You only like the Monica types and have no use for a strong smart comeptetn hard working woman.

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

Me afraid of strong, smart women ... surely you jest... I'm married to a strong, smart woman. Take a deep breath and a break a-hole from your cheap insults ... and stay on topic.

Danny M. Francis (Eyepublius) said...

8:29 - I never said or implied that CM spied on us ... her previous employer - the NSA did ... a fact, so get over yourself, and get off my ass and stay on topic.

Reflect Back to 2005.

Anonymous said...

Danny, there are a couple of CM supporters, which, surprised me some. As for Danny's campaign 7:18 it isn't even close to yours against teachers and the constant jabs at them. Listen, I get it. They went to college, have a career and try to teach kids from people like yourself who most likely send them to school to be pains in the ***. Education was fine until the political class snuck in i.e. common core, pledge of allegiance, correctness, etc. Thank the political class for any perceived classroom slump. Of which at the end of the day I don't see any of. College admission is at an all time high, free or not.

Anonymous said...

The cutting of the program is nothing to do with money...That's the end result.......It's the fact the CM doesn't believe we should do it.......she has lots of opinions like this.

Anonymous said...

At great risk to life and limb down here at the station house we discussed this.
We agreed that the best course of action is to go ahead and un-fund the Council and city managers pension to continue funding this.

OT was held at a minimum for our meeting.
It's the least we could do.

Anonymous said...


Danny: You are absolutely right in your POV on the CM and the culture of the NSA that she has brought here to our small town. Her tactics are offensive to the average person, she is a control freak, abuses her authority, and she is so out-of-touch with he actual needs of the community, its people and its personality that it leaves me to wonder why she was actually brought here in the first place.

Now that her plan is starting to reveal itself I think that some of our questions are being answered. Cut our services, raise our taxes, and continue to abuse her authority from high atop her ivory tower. She does not know her job and the longer she is allowed to stay the more damage gets done. has she done anything right? Just asking.

Anonymous said...

Well said many of you. The CAPC has helped many families and still helps many with not only food, but teaching their young safety issues, food choices, gardening, family fun nights, Dad days, and many more positive things which helps them help their family. Its not just a handout but a hand in making right decisions.
Maybe those who are cutting, should again, VISIT and understand their actions before they just shoot from the hip and affect many who they really don't understand how or why. Macaluso doesnt understand much on the council,but still votes and unfortunately, her votes hurt many who if she understood more about, she might support them and not take them out without realizing what she is doing.
Shame on you all for removing something needed, from a great organization who HELPS many.

Anonymous said...

CAPC is a good organization with a noble cause. But its a non-profit and shouldn't be supported with our tax dollars. The City is full of great non-profits. Anybody who wants to can donate and pledge their support. But I don't pay taxes to have the City decide which non-profits to dole money out to. There are already a host of assistance programs available for anyone in need. CAPC is one of many, and if the citizens deem it important, they should donate. Kudos to City Manager and Mayor for making the hard but correct call on this one.

Anonymous said...

It would be cheaper for The City along with the Federal government who subsidizes the program to just provide cab rides for the dozen or so riders per day.

Anonymous said...

Danny your honesty would have you fired from the Cow.

Anonymous said...

1:59...I am not in total disagreement but, if we didn't have to pay for a 12000000 sheet of ice, etc...well, you see where this is going.

Anonymous said...

Dannie, you should get a room with the firequeens. They sincerely love you. Or vise versa, per se.

Anonymous said...

8:17, I'm glad I'm getting to you, and you remember my posts. Did you miss the bus to Myrtle Beach. That's right, your ilk flies. It's an industry that no matter how well they are respected or paid, they cry. You fit right in. You must be married to a strong woman, as it were.