Tuesday, March 22, 2016

WDT: Former Councilman Raps Cracks in Arena Floor


     It surfaced first days ago on Glenn's radio show and now looms as a shadow over the project. Cracks and exposed metal rebar was raised at last night's Council meeting. Former Councilman Jeff Smith said the City should have rejected the surface before putting ice on it.
     A local engineering firm has been overseeing the project.
     http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/news03/council-members-reject-bid-for-arena-concession-stand-20160322

22 comments:

Anonymous said...


How does such an obvious flaw get missed? We, the taxpayer, pay a professional firm to oversee the project and protect our interest and he misses this? Perhaps he is distracted for some reason. This is not a minor issue this is a big deal and one that will likely cause problems down the road.

dajeep said...

The heck with engineering staff. Sounds like they need to get some of those high priced "consultants" on the job.(sarc).

Anonymous said...

Ole Jay's prognostications are coming around, this $10 million pig gets sweeter everyday.

The moral of this story is when you elect people who promise the world but cant add or subtract the voters lose out.

Anonymous said...

Cracks in the floor are just the tip of the iceberg of problems that will develop over the next few years. Talk to any of the contractors that worked on it and they will tell you so many corners were cut it is unreal.

Anonymous said...

The real news in this entire issue is The News, as brought about by Glenn.
You Jeff should consider upping your game. Your blog gained traction because when you were mayor, it let people into the mind of a politician who was thereafter making decisions that may affect them. Now the blog is little more than an extra click from the same news story on any other aggregator. Nobody really cares anymore what you think, or for that matter what you say about the things you find interesting or controversial. You are unfortunately just another voice in the crowd. You have what will be an ever declining and/or irrelevant readership base that seems to be going the way of the Jefferson County web board.

But Glenn's release of the issue about the floor of the arena ? Masterful.
You used to be a journalist, and maybe it's times for you to be thinking about pivoting again.
A blogging journalist has far more reach and value, than a parrot.

You don't have to post this, but you might want to think about it. Cheers

Anonymous said...

As long as the city doesn't sue anyone I am happy. We can live with this. Just as we can live with the poor concession design, bloated design fees and bids all being higher than the engineer's estimate.

Anonymous said...

8:13 You are an A-hole.

He who comments and post as Anonymous to the Mayor's blog and signs off as Cheers.

How do we rid ourselves of these A-holes?

Anonymous said...

What was the city engineer doing while these alleged corners were being cut,is this true?Why would he not be checking construction almost daily on the biggest,most expensive building we have had in a long time?!

Anonymous said...

This is getting to more of a comedy everyday. Maybe we should arrange for Drew Carey to make an appearance in Watertown!

Anonymous said...

Hey, it's a government project. There's no need to do anything right. Hire another engineering firm to keep watch over the current engineering firm that watches over the city engineering department. It's called redundancy.

Anonymous said...

8:13, find someone to have sex with. I might calm you down.

Anonymous said...

What happened since Corriveau left,sorry fired. Too much!

Anonymous said...

You wanted that that over priced cake NOW EAT IT .

Anonymous said...

Smith is just upset that the arena didn't happen on his watch. So easy to play arm chair quarter back when you don't have a say anymore. Go back to Henderson.
Hold the engineering firm responsible. Jack hammer the damn floor up and pour a new one. Costly, messy yet totally needed. When are you going to fix the issues, 20 years down the road at WHAT cost. Do it now, hold the engineers responsible and move on. We have wasted too much time talking about the arena when there are many other issues that should be addressed.

Just curious, Mayor Graham, why do you have the nicest Welcome to Watertown of any street in the city? As I drive into the city from other areas I am always struck by the fact that on Arsenal, State, Mill, Main even Washington there is nothing that compares to the sign that you have right outside your door.

Anonymous said...

Lived in the city for over fifty years and this is the worst group top to bottom I have seen. I hope it does not get worse. Where is the leadership?

Anonymous said...

Has the roof started leaking yet?

Anonymous said...

The concrete will need to be sawed or jack hammered out and replaced which leaves a cold joint that will eventually fail due to the moisture expanding the joint during freeze thaw conditions. Why was it accepted? Time to give Justin Woodhead a raise.

Anonymous said...

4:40, I got to agree with you, have lived in this city for 62 years, have never seen such a mismanaged group as in this city leadership in just about every position of management from the top down. Time for a change starting at the top

Anonymous said...

Hate to "break it" to everyone, but all concrete cracks.

Anonymous said...

OK, 10:49. "all concrete cracks". Well, if they got the ratios right, water, aggregate, cement with correct air entrainment, cured it correctly and placed the mesh correctly, then that would minimize the plastic cracks (i.e., cracks occurring during the curing process). So, if mesh is exposed as has been reported, then that is one likely cause for any plastic cracking since it's really only there to minimize plastic cracking. From what has been reported, these cracks are larger than would be expected from the typical curing process and are linear running larger lengths than those from plastic cracking. This brings up a question. . .were vehicles or other loads operated/placed on the slab prior to it fully curing? Also, what about the reported exposed re-bar? That is a very significant issue. Patching an ice rink slab. . .a slab that is exposed to extreme conditions and requires pretty limited variances in elevations to function properly . . .is really a no go. If this thing has visible issues, then they need to do some core drilling or non-invasive testing to determine if all of the re-bar/mesh was installed in accordance with specifications. That's an area where a contractor could save a lot of money by cutting corners. Hope someone was watching during installation.

Anonymous said...

They should have run the coolant thru the system for 2 weeks and cured the concrete, vs letting it dry. Very seldom is there an opportunity to do that because you don't typically have coolant tubes available. They could have made the floor into virtual granite, vs the hack job they have.

Anonymous said...

I do not understand why the engineering dept. does not do a better job with our money. Their salaries seem to say they hold some type of degree. Most of them have been employed by the COW for many years. I believe they are pretendengineers.