Tuesday, January 15, 2013

Outside Investigation For Jefferson County Sheriff's Department? | WWNY TV 7

     Is the public that concerned over the doings of the Jefferson County Sheriff's Department or is a spate of bad publicity just a media harangue and coincidence ?
     TV 7 reports county legislators are considering an independent probe...by who, we don't know ?

      Other insiders and those close to the incidents in question say it's more a case of the difficulty with civil service in a union shop to impose quick and certain discipline.
      A GOP legislator told me the Sheriff is doing a great job and that lawmakers support his efforts...Meanwhile other lawmakers say there's a lack of leadership and perhaps a need for an investigation, although that sounds like a parroting of a recent editorial.
       Insiders say the deputy found passed out in a patrol car was having personal problems, and that the one who punched a woman in a barfight was trying to hit someone else.   In all these events there is nothing contemplated beyond a suspension.
       Of course the public view of all this is clouded by executive sessions and "personel matters" privacy claims.
       Unlike most aspects of local government the Sheriff's Department is run by an elected official. That person certainly owes an explanation to the public, and the public in turn has the ability to make change via an election. So far no one is openly talking about running in 2014, but I am sure their campaign would be easier with a report to waive in the air.
        What may be worth looking at are the overall personel policies and the appetite for the HR office and department heads to take on discipline issues and not just hide behind how difficult it is with civil service and unions.
         But if its a change in leadership in the department, then those concerned should slug it out in the next campaign. That's how change happens.

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19 comments:

Anonymous said...

That GOP guy that said the sheriff is doing a great job...can you name him so I can vote against him and try to replace him please?

It would be a lot less than 40 million to fire an employee and let them grieve and sue you. Plus it sends a message.

And you don't need a union's approval or a conviction to charge someone...with DWI based on circumstantial evidence. Or to charge someone with unlawful computer use either.

Who with a brain buys the "its hard to punish employees" defense? When the top cop can punish anyone in the county at will, if he chooses to? doesn't matter if the charges stick, as many people know, including our mayor in civil court.

Anonymous said...

You know it is amazing now that the table has turned and the Sheriff's Office is being outed for all their underhanded dealings that you want to cry foul! Yet, when it is someone else's life or business that you all are destroying or dragging through the mud in the press it is all great and dandy. I think this is a fine example of "he who lives in a glass house...you know the rest". In my opinion it is a failure of leadership, if Sheriff Burns was watching the doings of his office then these last 2 issues alone would not be happening. Step down don't make the people do somthing they shouldn't have to. Have the pride and honor to do the right thing.

Anonymous said...

“A GOP legislator told me the Sheriff is doing a great job and that lawmakers support his efforts...”

A great job… really? Who’s this person? Since he/she is an elected representative you shouldn’t have any problem coughing up a name.

Anonymous said...

I dont feel Burs is the bad person here. These men and women of the department are adults. Why would he have to stand guard over them while they are at home and while a nurse is doing what you would assume is work she should be doing. I do believe that the man caught with the drink in his car should be fired. The department should also have the nurses license pulled by the State. Don't put blame on Burns,

Anonymous said...

Following the Mayor's advice is inviting another VanWaldick incident in Jefferson County!

Right Handed Left Winger said...

The Sherrif is elected by the voters to his job. He is the top-cop in the county..no matter what happens...he is ultimately in charge of public safety in the County. Come hell or high water he is where the buck stops should something go wrong. His employees are his problem, they are adults and face the same oversight as any other employees in any business. Because the WDT has a prong for him should not dictate what moves forward here. This is yellow journalism shining brightly. Talk about the MSM leaning opinion...the WDT should just shut up and let this elected official handle his own situations. Move forward on this Sherrif Burns and damn the torpedos.

Anonymous said...

Crazy Ray, who said Burns was a bad person? Who said he should have to stand guard?
What universe do you live in where employees don't need to be routinely scrutinized and held accountable? Where examples don't need to be made?

I wonder if Burns called the DA for advice with any of the civilians that were charged with DWI for being found asleep in their vehicles over the years? (not really, I am sure he did not).

? said...

Maybe if one of you were in the Sheriff's dept. you would have the knowledge to be able to judge what's what there. BUT, I see none of you on the County list of employees.

Burns does do a great job. He just has to clean up the front yard and maybe do some firing. But I myself can't judge that, I don't work there.

Anonymous said...

“A great job…”

Geez, maybe he meant it in a “Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job,” sort of a way…

Anonymous said...

I wonder if the good legislator would be willing to make that same statement publicly?

Anonymous said...

9:06 AM, you are right on. It is very obvious thru MSM that they have an agenda against the Sherrif, with the amount of news articles trying to nail another in the coffin. I heard that Burns won't run again, so what does he have to lose by trying to keep personnell matters personnal?

Anonymous said...

I do have some knowledge of the Sheriff's Dept. I support Mr Burns. I think the Dept has, overall, GREAT people. Do I blame Sheriff Burns, NO.

Most all of these incidents seem unrelated. Now we have a nurse supposedly involved with wrongdoing.

I'm not happy about what is going on and on and on over there. But I believe that Sheriff Burns can take care of things. I say give him a chance to do so. The Dept has better morale than other Sheriff's Depts in other counties, and it is staffed by professionals. I don't believe these problems are the result of poor leadership OR of people who don't take their responsibilities seriously. Ask yourself. When you deal with the window over there, do you receive respectful, courteous service? When you are in contact with road patrol, do you meet with professionals who handle things appropriately? I bet you do.

Anonymous said...

They have an agenda against the sheriff all right.
Their agenda is to get the sheriff to run his department competently. So far no luck.

Anonymous said...

Isn' information that comes out in an executive session confidential?

Anonymous said...

9:14 you are very wrong. The morale in the department is in the tank and it has been for some time.

ray lear said...

Never was involved in this, sorry.
I believe Burns has the right to keep on trucking, he will fix it all. Have every reason to think so. He has always been there for the dept.

Dan Francis said...

Blame is perhaps the wrong word to use here, but we should hold the top man or top woman (i.e., the boss at the very top) always responsible. I always thought that was good policy for any organization ... blame it easy, leading is a bit more difficult.

Anonymous said...

Danny, what do you know about leading? Leading is a bit harder when you can't court marshal your underlings for not doing what you tell them to do.

Anonymous said...

Hey 914 were you next to the road with an open can of beer??