Apparently, a court has blocked release of individual data on pension recipients in NY, severely limiting the public's ability to understand the scope of how upside down the system is. In recent years, pension spiking stories have helped increase scrutiny of the system which relies on ever increasing assessments on current taxpayers to pay for pension commitments in the past.
The Times opines for more transparency which is fine. I might add another problem is we live in a society where Washington can routinely spend more than it takes in, with no apparent ill effects. The public no longer sees a downside in spending beyond one's means because we have all collectively done it for years.
That is why whenever someone criticises the system, defenders say "I paid into that" and deserve what I get....when in fact the average person doesn't pay in, an amount anywhere near what is drawn out, whether its a pension or Social Security.
That doesn't mean they are not "entitled" to the payments by law, but it does mean a lack of math skills has left a whole society ill equipped to understand why what we routinely do is wrong.
Watertown Daily Times | Pension data
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And AJR and PattyPlate are leading with inclusion into the pension system for the various alphabet agencies, Even though they were told not to include them, What does Mr. Matteson do anyway????????
Ahh, Mr. Mayor, aren't you a member of that NY pension ?
You know, 9:39, this constant "but you're a member too" crap serves no purpose. Just because someone is a member doesn't mean they have to ignore reality. Your point, whatever it is, makes no sense. Please quit being so stupid. Many who receive fat and happy checks from government realize the charade can't go on much longer.
1:06 you are spot on. Look at the gun nut. He laughs all the way to the bank at how stupid the system is. That doesn't mean he ain't gonna cash the check if we are dumb enough to mail it to him.
1:06 PM, I agree. It is a question of learning & learning should never end.
Yet I go further & suggest the nation as a whole, or, should individual States seek to save themselves, are doomed because of Uncle Sam & His path of Empire.
Even as we speak of pension insolvencies - fraught as they are with many additional details - Uncle Sam is building more military installations in Chile & Argentina, seeking back into Subic Bay & Cam Rahn Bay, putting out "feelers" in India. Already Australia, the Seychelles, expansion in Okinawa, etc. are "old news".
Americans have a choice: they can save themselves or continue the present course & see their grandchildren living in a country resembling Bangladesh.
I recieve a fairly nice pension.. I recieve my social secuirty .. I paid what I was told to pay by the politicans like the mayor who played the game for years.. I did nothing wrong, the politicans did..
The choices in life were simple. Either you worked for the government or the private sector.. The government was full of bennies but the pay was lacking. I went without the pay until years of service passed..
You apparently made bad choices in your lives now you want me to pay for them.. Why?? Its our politicans that need to gi e up their pensions, hospitalization etc. Its our politicans that dipped into the social security years ago so they could spend spend spend.. Obama gave us some health care for everyone.. Its not perfect and some have to pay and you cry.. Wall St wants to get bailed out with our tax dollars and your alright with that but a persons pension really disturbs you..
People like Matt Doheny sign a pledge for no new taxes.. They make you believe its for you but in reality its for the greedy rich corporate Americans so they can line their pockets as they have.. People like Matt Doheny spend so much money to get elected it scares the average person.. He declares the one hundred seventy six thousand dollar salary means nothing to him.. He looks down on the average American. He comes on like some pompus prima dona and your alright with that and some of you will vote for him..(not enought I hope) If he wins he will help do away with the tax on the rich and certainly cost this area jobs in Fort Drum with his stradegy..But your alright with that just get the little guys pension...
You have a sitting Senator who has done nothing but claim the work of others through her spokesman. Your alright with that but why not take her pension...
You guys made your bad choices now live with them.. But use your heads before reelecting Rithcie or electing Doheny...
I echo what 8:45 wrote, and I add that the smaller your target is, (complaining about the relatively unimportant recipients), the less confidence you have in your aim. There should be transparency in government, so make sure the right candidates are elected. Doheny isn't one of them. Romney and family are hanging out at the London Olympics. That's how you solve the crises the US faces alright.
Public employees are not paying in to the system what they are taking out it's that simple. The public employee union thugs have threatened politicians for years and now the chickins have come home to roost.All the average taxpayer is asking for is fairness across the board.Tell Danny Donohue to stop ripping off the taxpayers of new york.
Nice post 845.
If a big oil company did what the unions did they would be in jail. It would be called price fixing and and collusion. Bernie Madoff did do what the unions are doing and he is in jail for life.
If Wall Street did what the government is doing with pensions or with Obama Care then people would go to jail. But both those Ponzi schemes are fine with the the union thug employees...as long as they get theirs...they earned it and got it coming.
Now you takers could have argued that a deal is a deal and you would have a point. But instead you pretend you earned it...so then you just look like greedy Free Stuff "taker" Owens supporters. Scott Walker for POTUS!
Hey 711 public employees dont make the rules, people make choices in life.
BS 10:11 the oil companies foreign and domestic have been sticking it to us since the seventies,with no relief in sight from our elected officials,who earn a much larger pension from the system you moan and groan about..if you didn't like it, you were free to seek public employment but something in your bitter post tells me you didn't have it in you..but keep on denigrating the line workers who did difficult jobs in sometimes very nasty circumstances,you know the kind of people you declined to work with but love slamming..
I don’t doubt for a minute 10:11am means and believes every word he wrote, and THAT is what’s truly alarming -- an oblivious “bleeding heart conservative” lapping up and choking on the spoon fed corporate induced propaganda. What a fool -- very sad, indeed.
Scott walker is doing what the people want and the union thugs fight it and try to get him thrown out.. and now the union thugs have gotten the courts to help them hide how much thuggery they have going on with their pensions. The unions make the oil companies look like charities instead of profiteers.
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