The race for the GOP nod in NY23 seems to be operating in parallel universes.....Matt Doheny is taking the traditional stroke the party faithful approach that has led to a 9-0 sweep of those counties taking sides in his fight with Doug Hoffman.
Mr. Hoffman is relying on national connections...this week announcing a fundraiser hosted by prominent national GOP leader, Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana.
Two different strategies, the latter being the more unconventional. After all, Mr. Pence can't vote in that September 14 primary.
Hoffman Greets, Doheny Sweeps (Updated)
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Mistake by Mike Pence. He will regret it later I am sure.
Yes you are right Mayor. Doheny is the local favorite and Hoffman has to rest on outside the state connections to keep him in the race. Amazing isn't it.
By local favorite you mean A bay and Watertown.. I know through the Canton, Potsdam area and again in the Malone area Hoffman seems to be right on the same level in conversations.. Now that he has the Conservative lock it will help his appearance. Doheny is very rich and is trying to buy the nomination and thats a fact. Hoffman is much for conservative and obviously a much more comfortable fit for most North Country residents.. Of course Dohenys All Stars will tell you different but November will tell the story....
Hoffman is just as rich and he brought his way in last year. If he wasn't so selfish and was a man of his word we wouldnt have this problem.
It stands to reason that if you are well connected in Washington and Nationaly you would make the better represenative. Knowing people not buying people is how things get done. The GOP in Northern New York is all about money and always has been thus Matt Doheny is the perfect fit. In November we will see who the people think the perfect fit is.. I will vote for Owens... The one puzzeling thing for me is the fact that Doheny gave so much money last year himself to DeDe Scozzava and had others donate to her cause. He apparently shares her thoughts...
He gave the money reluctantly as if she had been successful, he would have primaried her. He did NOT encourage others to donate to her. He did , for appearances sake keep his word publically.
Yeah 4:12. Owens has no money at all. This gets so tiring. Just make your decision, which you have obviously already done, and shut the hell up. You want Pelosi to run our district, then vote for Pelosi. But spare us the bs about who has money.
Anon4:10 very well put Hoffman is not as friendly as Doheny and has broken his word to many of the people in the 23rd.I would like to debate Mr. Hoffmans spokesman on the fact he was out there door to door during the special process trying to take it away.Doug was to busy trying to be popular with Glenn Beck.As some one who was involved in the process Mr. Hoffman out right lied to all of us while Mr. Doheny kept his word wich goes along ways in Northern N.Y.Dougs boy Ryan was on the record saying that Mr.Doheny is another De De When in fact that is the furthest from the truth.....
Rich people can give money reluctantly most of us cant. We relate better to people of the same status as us.. Buying a shot at congress isnt exactly what I support nor I am sure is what the majority of the voters in NNY want or relate to.. He openly did encourage others to support her and people that were on his payroll gave money to her in their names and it probably was his money. The one outsider from his team was N.Vaugh who openly critized DeDe by terming her pathetic continually. See where this got him . Of course Vaugh recently has been hedging on the Hoffman thing. Locals in Oberg say he sounds like he may be more open to a Hoffman run if Doheny fails...
Members of his team did NOT give contributions to her..Graham Wise intentionally refused to participate in a fundraiser in Sackets Harbor. So few people really know all the facets of that race from Brenden Quinn and Redstate to the subtle smear campaign.
You are causing the what you call smear campaign.. Nick Vaugh openly was critizing DeDe as pathetic and refused to give money in his name.Instesd Vaugh gave a contribution to the Fort In Ogdensburg which was Dohenys money. Others on that campaign past and present supported DeDe at Dohneys request. Thats fact and thats an example of hipocracy of this man and his followers.. I didnt say everyone on his staff did this but there were several.
715 anom.. I think yoo are correct. I remember a donation to the Fort in Ogdensburg by Vaugh. He had never held a job and was a student at the time, so I assume the money was given to him by someone. Graham wise is not as innocent as he is made out to be. A fellow by the name of Bobby Cantwell was being funded heavily by Doheny and Vaugh was working on both Doheny and Cantwell campaigns. Vaugh a short time later started to rant about how pathetic DeDe was and soon after strted his twitter campaign agaisnt Addie Russell.. Nancy Martin GOP saw Vaugh was destined to loose so she made him step down because of Forsythe.. Yes there was strong DeDe support by Doheny and some of his followers.
First of all, it is illegal to donate money through someone and DOheny knows it - he would never risk his future political career to help Dede's campaign. Doheny supported Dede because he said he would and he kept his word (much the same way Hoffman said he would support her). I remember the day when he walked the check over to her campaign headquarters - he essentially said that at least now people will know he is a man of his word. That is why he did it. That is the only reason. His positions are SO different than hers, but he said he would support the republican nominee and he did. He NEVER, not in a million years, encouraged anyone to donate to Dede - why would he? He himself didn't donate to her until her campaign was almost over. By that time, his staff had disbanded completely (afterall, if Owens had not won last year, there would be little opportunity for him to run in 2010 so why keep a staff until the election is over). I do know he was extremely disappointed when she endorsed Owens in the end. If nothing else, he thought she should have remained silent on the election. There were hard working republicans who donated to her campaign in good faith and essentially she turned the race around so that those donations were, in a way, supporting a democrat.
As for Vaugh - he had had a source of income when he donated to the Fort. He had worked for Doheny's campaign all summer - campaign staff get paid. As far as I am concerned, he can spend that money on the Fort in Ogdensburg or at Fort Pearl. Doesn't matter a bit to me.
I stand by what I said.. The previous blogger knows alot about Doheny and Vaugh so I can conclude this person is paid by Doheny and is a supporter. In other words he is saying Matt Doheny is a hipocrite. It is obvious he is in the fact he did contribute however he does not share her ideals so he says. Why would one contribute to anyone who they would not support their ideals. WoW, hipocracy at its highest.. Seeing Vaugh worked all summer for Doheny would seem to make Vaugh a liar because he missed meeting after meeting in Ogdensburg because as he said he was sick and couldnt do his duty. Yet your saying he worked for Doheny all summer.. WoW this is quite a group of people we are dealing with.. Buy, Lie, support people who we have nothing in common as far as political ideals. Lets get real.. Doheny is a fraud and manipulator and will do anything and say anthing to win.. For you GOP who have a brain and can think independantly this should be obvious.
Are we back to that hating Vaugh thing? I'd like to meet this guy. He must be t e r r i b l e. I can see this guy with horns coming out of his head. Come to think of it, I hate him too. I hate the hell out of him and if I see him I'm going to tell him how much I hate him. What worries me the most is I'm not sure I would recognize him. But I know he's baaaaad.
anom 1136 or should I say Nick. Quit being dramatic..No one hates you.. Your record is pathetic however and whenever someone questions it it comes out hate. You are young and inmature to say the least. Once you grow up get a job pay some taxes like the rest of us I would encourage you to run for office of some kind. Whats troubling is your honesty.. Missing all those meetings and the wisdom teeth thing.. Now you quit the assembly race due to personal family problem but however chose to work for Matt Doheny.. Which is it..... You and Doheny writing basicly the same letter to the GOP asking for funding... How fickle do we seem.. With you son its an ongoing thing but noone hates you... I rather feel sorry for you
Nick Vaugh wandered into the pond instead of staying in the kiddie pool.
I dont know how Nick Vaugh got to be the subject but he certainly is not worthy of conversation. The subject was Doheny and his DeDe like thinking. His contributions to her campaign and now trying to run away from it.. The info from 11.14 and 908 seems to be accurate as far as my memory. These events did take place. I guess common sense tells me Doheny supported DeDe he must have believed in her and her values. I,ve really thought this over and I guess I wont be pulling the Doheny lever in November...I,ve been a GOP for nearly 40 years but i,ve got to pass on this guy.
2:45 You respect Hoffman's values of dishonesty, disinterest in the area, and disdain for the truth. I am also a long time GOP member that will be leaving the party if he becomes our candidate...and I know that I am not alone. He is a wind-up puppet of Mike Long. BTW..was that the same Rob Ryan that is the paid consultant for former Green Party member Altschuler? It is all a game folks.
I dont really like Hoffman either . But he is still the real rank and file GOP idea.. Howerver Doheny with his money and ability to sway people with it will be the GOP nominee. I have no doubt that in the end that if Doheny is trailing in the polls near election time he would also throw his support to Owens to block Hoffman. I really am suprised as to how much Doheny really embrassed DeDe and her ideals.
If he is the true rank and file Republican ...why has not one Republican committee made up of rank and file Republicans seemed fit to endorse him. Do Not regurgitate the old bologna about back room deals as was stated incorrectly last year...he has been given every opportunity to get Republican support and has failed miserably.
7:27 I think you either meant embraced or embarrassed or perhaps the noun,embrasure.
Do you really think Hoffman tried to get the GOP support. Be realistic. He has raised zero and spent zero.. Doheny has be out hot airing it and spending like a fool. In the end Hoffman outsmarted him and now will run strictly as a conservative. The GOP will do their same ole thing and as last year they will abandon Doheny making it clear saling for Owens. It soon will be clear that Doheny has to much personal baggage to keep up the effort and will peter out..
The Hoffman performance reminds me of "Revenge of the Nerds". He is socially inept and clueless...but his advisors are good and as long as he has money in the bank...they will spend it(on themselves) .
I think Hoffman believed that Long's endorsement would give him the Republican line. When it became evident that scenario was not to be...his advisors shifted to him being the outsider. His first fundraiser is inside the beltway..
9:45 - I love that putting in so little effort and raising no money translates to "outsmarting" the opponent. In fact, I think it just shows that Hoffman doesn't have the free ride he had in 2009 when there was effectively no republican opposition to battle for votes. Now that he has to present a platform and market his ideas Hoffman is like a fish swimming upstream...getting no where fast. That is not "outsmarting", that is what I call failing.
.. I dont know about free ride however I do know Hoffman creamed DeDe last year and the people spoke. It was her values and beliefs that left people bewildered on her. Seeing that Doheny is a obvious clone of DeDe where to we gain. His workers orsupporters are claiming he is his own man and he disagrees with DeDe on several issues the basic values are the same.
3:20 - you are pretty ignorant if you think DOheny is a clone of Dede. Have you researched either of their positions on the issues or are you simply aping the words of Mike Long. What same "basic values" are you referring to??? Doheny's platform is completely different from Dede's - everything from labor unions to fiscal policy to gay marriage. I have a feeling you don't have a clue what you are talking about but have just been drinking a whole lot of Mike Long's (and thus Doug Hoffman's) koolaid. It is becoming increasingly clear that Hoffman is just Long's puppet too. Please do your homework before making these blanket statements - it really makes the people in the 23rd district look stupid and ignorant and I think we suffered from that label enough in 2009.
i,M SORRY but the people of the 23rd are not stupid. Thus Doheny will not win.. Money cant buy everything.It obviousl bought 818 but use your head folks... Why would anyone support a politican and not share their values.. Doheny does, did, and will be consistant to DeDe.. I know he pays people like the prvious writter to make him look good and cover his mistakes but use your head folks see the similarities..
10:15pm - again with the ignorance. Are you so foolish as to assume that every single person who supports Doheny is being paid???? Hardly. I am just an INFORMED voter. The key word being INFORMED! But feel free to wallow in your ignorance all you want - you seem too clueless to even realize how small minded and bitter you sound.
anon 1015: perhaps you should try to evaluate the candidates based on their positions and not on how much money they have. I believe that DOheny was just supporting the party, as he said he would, when he donated to Dede's campaign. I believe that his positions are as he says they are (which, as anon 818 said, are completely different from Dede's). You sound distrustful of that but my reasoning is simple - his positions today are the same as they were when he was seeking the nomination in the special election, before Dede was the republican nominee. If his views were in line with Dede's he would have said so last year. That is how I got comfortable that he was just trying to support the party in 2009, that's all. I wouldn't have done it - honestly, I would have been too bitter that they picked a RINO over me to run in what should have been a slam dunk race for the republicans but to each his own. I definitely won't hold it against him. Now, if he were pro-union and pro-big government like Dede I would have a problem!.
I agree with that veiw somewhat. He is deffinetly anti union but I,m not sure about Big Government. I havt heard his veiw yet... Why would anyone support a canidate they do not believe in. That dosnt make any sense at all... The party thing is a coop out..He certainly has the veiws and most of the values of DeDe of course. His supporters can shoot off about six or eight differences but not more than that. They are trying to distance themselves from the woman who served us very well in the North Country for years. His supporters use the term ignorant, and uninformed, and unrealistic and try to embarras anyone who writes something against him. Paid assasins is a good name for them.. kFrom what I understand paid very well also..
Salaries for Doheny's staff are disclosed and they didn't seem out of shack to me but that was earlier in the campaign - let's see what they look like for the quarter ending in June or better yet September. That is when the big money will be spent.
Let's talk about supporting candidates that share our values. The Conservatives and Republicans support a candidate that is pro-choice, voted for gun control , voted for amnesty, voted for increased gov't spending, supports gay rights,etc. That happens to be thr R candidate for Governor.
Does anyone know Dede's positions or do tthey just believe the Hoffman lies. She sat through a two hour long editorial board interview at the Syracuse paper..they covered everything from Cap and Trade, Immigration, fiscal poicy, Afghanistan, healthcare,etc. Hoffman did not show up. The paper did not endorse her because she was too conservative.
Dede's positions were not different than McHugh's..I guess he was ok????Hoffman praised McHugh...
The one breath of fresh air in this campaign is the fact the GOP and Ken Blankenbush do not support outsiders or people who interests are probably elsewhere. I dont know where this leaves Doheny on the Blankenbush priority list but I think he is right on with his assessment of Doheny and others that move back to this area to try and fleece the people into voting for him.... Thats the GOP talking folks, and one of their canidates is just that....
3:59 - you are the exact reason why watertown and the rest of the district was left behind when the country was moving forward nearly a century ago. Much like when a company is looking to grow beyond the mom and pop store front they look to hire someone with some outside experience, I think the people of the district should consider the same. The mom and pop store owner knows exactly how the run their mom and pop shop, but if they want to expand geographically, operationally or whatever, they would be best served to hire someone who knows something other than just the ins and outs of that specific mom and pop shop. It is basic business and it is exactly the same for municipalities. If we want to expand and grow (or in the case of the 23rd district, catch up) we need to at least consider bringing people in who have experienced something other than our small little universe. I am not saying vote for the "outsider" (although I don't think either DOheny and McGrath can be considered outsiders since they are both both here), but I am saying don't not vote for them because they lived elsewhere for a little while. I think it is such a closed/small minded position to take.
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